News: Cedar Point blog shows footers at WWL site - Part II

Yeah, I was just thinking that. If someone could take some nice "bird's eye view" pics of the footers, we could have pretty much the entire layout of the ride, and thus figuring out what type of ride it might be.

I had the same idea when I saw this photo, it looks like it could make for one huge banked turn. This means high speeds, which means a large drop, which means...!

http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=3327
*** Edited 5/14/2006 7:20:53 PM UTC by CP fanatic 2400***

I started following leads so long ago that I forgot how it started but this is what i've found...

PortAventura in spain is rumored to be getting a new Intamin Launch coaster for 07. "The new coaster will cost $6 million Euros and will be added to the Mediterranean section of the park where the riders will hang suspended over the sides of the coaster. The description of the layout seems to indicate that the ride will remain close to the ground and water and will feature a launch tunnel and no inversions at all. No manufacture of the ride is mentioned, but at first it sounds like a launched version of the S&S / Arrow 4th Dimension “X” coaster."

The train's kind of look like an airplane with riders hanging from the wings..I found two blueprint lookin pics and one color rendering that is similar but not airplane themed. Its hard to tell if the seats rotate ala X but it seems likely.

They look nothing like the ball design...Im not about to post a link to another message board but do some searchin and a little advice the site with the pics is another language.

realmadrid311 said:

Im not about to post a link to another message board but do some searchin and a little advice the site with the pics is another language.

Darn:( I was just about to ask for pics.

Let me guess the site is in Spanish;)

Coastern3rd said:
What possible motivation did they have for theming Dragster when they can't keep up with the theming for Disaster Transport?

That's a fairly ridiculous comparison. Does a drag racing Christmas tree really make for a "theme?"

I'm thinking Dragster pretty much themed itself.

Like Jeff said, how exactly would you theme the ride anyhow?

As far as Disaster Transport goes...opening day they didn't even have a single light on in the ride. Anyone know if that's been changed?

Does a drag racing Christmas tree really make for a "theme?"

What about a space trip to Alaska? Not much of a theme either. If Dragster still had it's spoilers, it'd still have a way better theme than Disaster Transport.

But I do agree that the Christmas tree isn't doing much. It use to have a theme but now it's just a means of telling you when you launch.

But I still love that "lemon of a coaster".....theme or not. And I would never want the tree to go.

*** Edited 5/15/2006 3:27:57 AM UTC by TTD 120mph***

JEFF:

With all of this talk going in circles I was just wondering if you were Excited for the 2007 project?

You cannot and would not say anything about it we know, Are you excited about it though? I was just wondering.

Thanks.

Coasterguy, at first I thought what a great idea, then I realized Jeff would never be able to tell us why he was or was not excited (arg).

I suspect we're all excited to see a new coaster at CP - they have a legacy - this is Mr. Kinzel's last coaster - time will tell - but Intamin and the distinction of being the first park to break 200, 300, and 400 does lead one to connect the dots - lol.

Fortunately, I will be at the point this weekend (5/19). I need to see the space first hand, cause a looper makes the most amount of sence - especially with that new train design of Intamins (hmmm).

I hear ya! :)

But, he could just answer YES OR NO. No strings!

I think I may have to go to the park on wed to see it for myself too..

Jeff said:

That's a fairly ridiculous comparison. Does a drag racing Christmas tree really make for a "theme?"

You're not suggesting you actually forgot about all the theming that was originally on the ride? Tires, Spoiler, Engine?

Not to mention the stands, colors, signage, Huge mock-up dragster at the exit, fencing, ride announcements. Yeah, I'd say some of those make a theme.

If the same park that whose earlier attempt went so wrong, then themes Dragster, and puts up another launch in 07. I will not be surprised.

edit: tired and cranky. *** Edited 5/15/2006 12:25:10 PM UTC by Coastern3rd***

Why would CP want to build another launch coaster?!? If you compare the reliability of convential/modern lifts with launch coasters, there is a slight disparity.

And by "slight", I mean obscenely obvious.

Keep in mind that TTD was built in 2003. WT was built in 2002. Project 2007 was likely sketched in 2003 or 2004, but definitely before 2005. Based on what they (and SF) had experienced up until then (not that they've had better success since), who in their right mind would think they'd want to build another one?!?

In that case, why would they want another Intamin, add another flat, put seatbelts on Skyhawk, theme Dragster, get rid of freeway/passes for re-rides and make the Magnum ops stand behind the pillars? None of those make much sense from most perspectives but they did it.

I'm not saying it is a launch, I'm saying I would not be surprised.

First, Intamin does not have a terrible reputation. Brand-new launch methods do, and it just so happens that Intamin uses them. That is a very clear distinction that invalidates your first example.

As for the flats... SH was planned before Maxair was built, and its not like Maxair was severely problematic. Besides, SH is closer to PT in terms of its propulsion system, from my understanding.

Freeway being removed, not renovating Maggie's station and such things save the park money. So they have a motivation for doing so. They may not make sense to us as consumers, but I bet that shareholders and those responsible for CF's bottom line find plenty of validity in such things.

The TTD theming and seatbelts are complete red herrings.

Adding another attraction that shares the same features (launch system) that have done nothing but given you maintenance and repair headaches costs money both to build and fix.

Everyone groaned a little when Intamin track showed up. Millenium Force works the best out of the latest 3. Wicked Twister has had it's share of problems not to mentiom LIM launches have been around for quite some time and are not new. Dragster and KK, do we need to reiterate? Death on Superman?

Intamins rep is tip-top!

I said nothing about the reliability of flats. I'm saying it was unusual for them to install 2 in as many years. The seabelts are part of their Extreme safety measures which are problem causing. I was there Saturday and I had counted a little over 4 minutes for a load and clear on Skyhawk. Thats nuts for a ride that short.

Magnums station does not need to be renovated. They need to do something else with the ops other than put them behind a concrete pillar. It's silly to have them behind the pillar. But they do it.

The TTD theming is still there, and after the Disaster that is DT's theming you think they would of relaxed a bit when they built TTD, but did they?

Again, I would not be surprised if it's launched.. *** Edited 5/15/2006 1:17:35 PM UTC by Coastern3rd***

The only relevant thing you mentioned about Intamin is the death on Superman. Everything else pertains to launched coasters - NOT Intamin specifically.

The rest of that is still completely irrelevant to what we're talking about.

Intamin made Wicked Twister right? It's an LIM launch. LIM has been around for a long time. Flight of Fear works, Rockin Roller Coaster works none of those have ever been down the hundreds of times I have been to either of those parks.

Wicked Twister has been down a lot What does Premier and Vekoma do that Intamin is not?

All the things I metioned are things that are unusual for Cedar Point to do, and they did them which is why I would not rule out a launch.

Highly relavent to the discussion.

edit: just cranky now *** Edited 5/15/2006 1:59:31 PM UTC by Coastern3rd***

I'm separating the manufacturer from the "lift" type because Intamin does not limit themselves only to launch coasters. CP has faith in Intamin, but not necessarily launched Intamins.

I understand that CP does those silly things you mentioned, but they are vastly different from the considerations I've mentioned. The positioning in the Maggie station is done for safety, even though it doesn't make sense. And the theming is something that was an obvious mistake on TTD. However, these things cost very little money to implement and therefore don't have a noticable impact on the company's bottom line. In contrast, building a multi-million dollar attraction based around a technology that has caused so many problems has the potential to have a direct and very noticable impact in terms of ROI. Every year that a family makes their annual trip to CP and experiences downtime with TTD & WT has an impact. If CP continues adding similar attractions with similar downtime, those families are less likely to return. This concept is surely not overlooked by the powers that be.

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*** Edited 5/15/2006 2:13:56 PM UTC by djDaemon***

Ok so I have figured all of this out. It is going to be a Vecoma ten looping coaster.

If you're going to make an asinine prediction, you can at least spell the company name right.