Mean Streak- Redone

It's beautiful, and as much as I love Mean Streak, I would actually be okay with this.

I'm guessing he either made the other rides or downloaded them. Great job on the RMC coaster. That would be a welcome addition to the park. If that game ever comes to Steam, I will get it.

There seems to be a lack of trim breaks on this mean streak adaptation ;)

Hey this looks so great and theoretically possible! Please just email that to someone at cedar point. maybe they might just do it ;)

That kicks butt. Well done! Hey @tonyclarkcp how about it?

Thabto said:

If that game ever comes to Steam, I will get it.

Somtimes when you make a wish, it is already true.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/301320/

Holy crap! When did that happen? I remember it being Greenlighted, but it took a while to appear there. It's on my wishlist now. Hope it goes on sale during the next Steam sale.

That animation looks pretty intense, but it would be fun. I'd still rather see a twisty-turny GCI wooden coaster, but that would be better than the current crap.

$39.99 doesn't seem like much for a game.

$39.99 is alot of money on Steam since they frequently run great sales. Some games go for as much as 75% off or more during sales.

While waiting for a sale, you could download the demo and start to get a feel for the software. Honestly, the software in my opinion is worth a lot more than $40 (or $90 in my case since I got the pro). I am not sure why the developers call it a game. The software fuctions more like photoshop than a "game". Nevertheless, I still spend many hours having fun (with some hairpulling).

Tony, when are you going to release some of your NL2 creations?

Wow this no limits video has gone everywhere now. I'm seeing it all over Facebook and TPR posted it on their channel too.

CoasterKyle1121 said:

Needless to say that looks awesome. But it would also mean lowering Cedar Point's line of woodies to just one and 3 hybrids. I have a question though and keep in mind i have absolutely no experience with No Limits. But how did you get the rest of the CP skyline in the background?

OK seriously this whole "we would lose a wooden coaster" argument is kinda ridiculous. Not saying that I don't think it is important for CP to have a collection of woodies or that you or your statement are stupid, I just believe that if you are going to even have woodies at the freaking "Roller Coaster Capital of the World" you should have QUALITY woodies.

Blue Streak is a good quality classic style wood coaster. Realistically 99% of people don't care, nor do they even notice the difference between Blue Streak, Gemini, and CCMR. MS in its current condition is literally a huge waste of space that draws little to no crowd, consistently gives a low maybe mediocre quality ride at best, and was produced by a designer that built coasters that were proven over time to be poorly designed (Hercules, Texas Giant, Psyclone, ect).

I swear, being a Mean Streak supporter is like believing vaccines cause Autism. Just look at the Dinn corps portfolio of work, ask some cp guests, and see what other parks have done to these rides despite the fact that many of the rides are younger than the majority of the people on this site. Their oldest coaster isn't even 30.

I still consider wooden roller coasters to be the best. I know this is not the popular consensus. I like Mean Streak. I'll ride it every trip I take to CP. More power to you if you don't like it. Maybe they make better wooden coasters now and some other park has built on since 1992ish that is better. But with that said if you want to improve rides that are already there than that's what you're gonna get is new and improved same ride. Why don't you just look for ways to get your ride and leave the one there that people besides you still appreciate. I get it your too soft to ride the Mean Streak. I'm not that soft. I can still handle riding and love to as much as when it opened. I love the work they've done to it. They have made a drastic improvement to the ride within the last few years. Because of it's location their is a significant lag time in which it takes to get to it. Reducing the wait in line. It's hidden at the back of the park. Your justification to tear it down is based on your idea that you don't ride it. Well other people are riding it. Just cause they aren't waiting in hour long lines doesn't mean that the ride isn't enjoyed. You only want something you don't have. Mean Streak has high capacity in a part of the park that is not highly traveled. Gatekeeper is 3 years old and is in a part of the park that is highly traveled. Still on below average attendance days both rides are walk ons. You already got your 12 steel coasters. If you want another you can have it. Just don't take away the ones other people like.

I don't think vaccines cause autism. Just so you know.

Gemini and Mine Ride are steel coasters.

I think that was his point. Despite them being steel coasters, the average guest sees wood structure and doesn't know the difference. I've heard it countless times at the park. "Gemini is my favotite wooden coaster at Cedar Point."

I enjoy Mean Streak even with the knowledge that there are other rides out there with more thrilling layouts. In spite of some people who say it is rough, I find it very reridable and often ride it multiple times in a row. Of course it will shake and vibrate, that is what wood coasters do and I think that is what makes a wood ride unique compared to modern steel coasters. As great a ride as MF is, I get more enjoyment out of my time at Cedar Point by riding Mean Streak five or six times in a row with a minimal wait compared to waiting in an hour or more long line for one ride on MF.

My goodness, redsfan, maybe it was the early hour but you seem really grouchy about this. But I understand your passion for real wooden coasters. I like them too, especially when they are of enduring high quality.

Take C.P.'s other true woody, Blue Streak. It's been there pretty much as is since 1964 (station changes etc. aside) and it continues to deliver a really great ride. It's big-boned sister was born in an era when the popular thought was the higher you go the better it's surely going to be. Cedar Point cast its eyes to the south and contracted with the builders of Texas Giant (which, incidentally, had a horrible start) and said "Give us one of those, please. Only make it smoother. Oh, and we'd like the tallest on earth, too, while you're at it." There were a couple of problems there. One, the designer, due to health issues, had never set foot on a roller coaster a day in his life. Two, the severe height of the ride did it no favors. Those of us who are well-traveled have seen it over and over again. The speed that results from such a large drop just isn't all that comfortable. The track suffers wear and trims are ill-placed and misused in an effort to control speed. So there's an automatic fail, especially when you add the fact that in an effort to smooth things out the builders gave us a layout that isn't all that interesting. She's big and pretty all right, but as my grandma used to say "She's just a pound of pennies". Worth something, sure, but not really worth the time and trouble. Take a look at other rides from that era, most haven't fared well.

As for your argument that Mean Streak's low ridership suffers only from a location problem, I'm not so sure about that. Thousands of guests ride C.P&L.E.R.R. everyday and it lets them out at Mean Streak's doorstep. You kinda can't miss it. Thousands of other guests find their way back to Maverick just fine, don't they? And if you were around during M.S.'s first few seasons you saw long lines, and I mean hours worth. (Thats why that queue is so lengthy there in the infield, and some of it is gone now, right?) And there was only the train and White Water Landing back there at the time, ride-wise.

I maintain the reason Mean Streak has fallen out of favor is because it's a bad ride. Through the years, over and over again, I've heard comments like "Oh, I can't ride that big wooden one there, it's too rough". And that doesn't make anyone too "soft" to endure the experience. Remember, a park's bread and butter is not made from the fortitude of tough enthusiasts, but what the everyday ticket-buying guest says and wants.

I ride Mean Streak too. If the line is short and I'm in the hood I'll give it a go. I ride the front seat and hope for the best. But, alas, the same disappointment rings every time, from the scrape of the trim down the first drop, to the horribly re-profiled third drop, to the dead stop mid-course, to the dips that should hit the ground and don't, to the lumbering force-less turns.

It's ok that you like it, I'm sorry to disagree with you, and I hope you take the message kindly. But if a reconfiguration (like that awesome wish-list video, which all I can say to that is yes, please) adds thrills and increased ridership then why not? In my opinion, Cedar Point would benefit once again by casting their eyes to the south.

Jeff said:

Gemini and Mine Ride are steel coasters.

Yeah, that was the point I think he was trying to make. You and I know that they are steel coasters, but 90% of the general public are CLUELESS to that fact. One look at the structure and they're convinced it's a wooden coaster, and they won't hear anything to the contrary. In fact I've yet to meet one non-enthusiast that didn't think mine ride and gemini were wood coasters.

Man, I have to say, I did not enjoy Mean Streak at all. I didn't find it to rough, and I love wooden coasters as a general rule, but Mean Streak was just long and boring. I literally checked my watch at one point because I was just done with it already, and we were only half way through. Although I wish Mean Streak was better, I still don't want it to become a hybrid. Personally I just can't bring myself to go on a coaster with an inversion that's supported by a wood structure (I know it doesn't really make sense, but whatever). The fact is Mean Streak takes up a huge plot of land with comparatively low ridership (as low as Mantis, from what I know), and the only reasons to keep it are because:

1) It costs money to tear it down.

2) It's one of only two wooden coasters at a park that prides itself on coaster diversity.

3) It would either take one massive addition to take it's place, or several years of smaller additions.

So I don't think it's going anywhere, but Cedar Fair showed with Rougarou that they are not afraid of trying to boost popularity of a coaster by altering it, and they even said on one of their conference calls that they have similar plans in the near future (Vortex at Carowinds is definitely not in those plans as confirmed at their Winter Warm Up event, which only leaves possibly Vortex at CGA as B&M stand-ups suitable for the exact same conversion). This could mean getting RMC to convert some coasters for Cedar Fair, or something else entirely, but it's good to note.

Personally I would rather see Blue Streak go (not that I want it to go, but that would be my first choice of woodie to give up). It was awful and painful the whole way through. It didn't help that the lap bars don't go down as far as at Wonderland so we didn't feel as safe as we'd have liked.

Ty-Rant_13 said:

The fact is Mean Streak takes up a huge plot of land with comparatively low ridership (as low as Mantis, from what I know)

Actually Mean Streak had atleast 125,000 less riders than Mantis last year. I know that it isn't exactly a fair comparison as Mean Streak doesn't open as early as Mantis, but I can safely assume that Mean Streak does have a higher maintance cost due to it being wooden.

Facts, something rarely seen in public forums

Ty-Rant_13 said:

I did not enjoy Mean Streak at all. I didn't find it to rough...

Personally I would rather see Blue Streak go (not that I want it to go, but that would be my first choice of woodie to give up). It was awful and painful the whole way through. It didn't help that the lap bars don't go down as far as at Wonderland so we didn't feel as safe as we'd have liked.

Blue Streak is defiantly a smoother coaster than Mean Streak. Since I do not have hard data to back my claim, I will digress from that point.

Since Blue Streak does not have any ejector airtime, it does not need individually ratcheting lap bars. Anyway, how could you fall out wearing seat belts anyway? Canada's Wonderland has a great selection of woodies that they ruined by not running them with buzzbars. If you love wooden coasters, you must ride the woodies at Knobels, Kenneywood, and the Blue Streak at Conneaut Lake Park (if the park opens for next season).