Maverick Track Replacement

I would rather wait another year to ride Maverick if they replaced the s-curve with a longer, more spaced out heart line roll.

I'd say that you're in the minority. And if you're that mad that there isn't a heartline roll, well then, one less person in line!

I'm not mad. Just disappointed. My last few trips, which don't happen to often, havn't been the best. With Mantis, MF, and TTD break downs they have left me dissipointed. I was deciding on going to CP either opening day or some time in July. I decided July months ago and I'm glad I made that decision.
I have the patience to wait a year to ride Maverick with the less tense heartline roll in it. Sure I'll still ride it when I go in July (if it's open *knock on wood* :)) but I was really looking forward to that segment of the ride.

Do you realize how crazy it sounds? They take out the heartline roll, replace it with a s-curve, ride opens, season ends, s-curve removed, new heartline roll put in. I hope you realize the money involved for something as small as a single element being replace by a s-curve (which by all means doesn't sound that by).

Everyone think back to TTD's train theming. Now think about that on a much larger scale and you have Maverick's issue. Say goodbye in to the heartline roll, because Maverick now twist you upside down TWO times and features an narrow s-curve through a canyon at high speeds. *** Edited 5/19/2007 1:24:57 AM UTC by Gomez***

DrunkinMonkey said:
I'm not mad. Just disappointed.

Does that sound like a reprimanding parent to anyone else?

The S curve is the less aggresive transition. As a side note, the trains will not be going 70 MPH. There are brakes right after the launch.

^How sure are you that the brakes will remain? I'm not saying they're going to stay or not, but they were put there because of the heartline roll and now its gone.

We'll see in early June.

They should of just extended the heartline roll so there wasnt such a tight space with the canyon and all and they wouldnt have to geta replacement and all of us would be happy.

Maverick contributes to the inversions cemetery...

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^There's a big difference. Every one of those rides were around for more than six years before being modified. Millions of riders already experienced the inversion.

We don't even know if a single person has ridden Maverick. As far as anyone who goes to the park from this day on, Maverick has always had TWO inversions.

The S curve costs much less money and will take much less time to replace than other options. The footers can be used for an S curve but not much else. Putting in new foundations would take at least a month and a half to dig, fixture, pour, and allow to cure. Only then can they assemble on it and start the second round of testing.

How do I know that the ride will have the brakes? The track is setup for a maximum speed including the curve into the roll, out of the roll, and the elements there after. Increasing the speed will increase the acceleration for the second half of the ride. The ride is designed for optimal accelerations through the elements. The elements are designed for a specific amount of structural integrity. Running through them too fast will result in increased fatigue wear. The whole point of removing the roll was to remove the section with above normal fatigue.

^How do you know the two stengal dives and bunny hop can't be taken at a faster speed? We know the heartline roll was above normal fatigue, but were the others below normal fatigue? I don't think we know.

If Intamin overbuilt their rides, they wouldn't sell many.

Why was Raptor trimmed for many years and now it doesn't? Why does Millennium Force have bracket for a trim brake, but doesn't have one?

Also Intamin might not overbuild their rides, but Maverick is no longer their original design.

Millennium Force had two area's of concern: The hill next to the station and the last overbanked turn. If the speed of the train was too high through that area during actual operation, then they would require a brake in the respective position. It would be an easy fix if the track was already set up for an additional brake. It was built into the ride The speed through the area turned out to be okay and the bracket remains unused.

I honestly don't know why Raptor had trims on for years. My guess is complaints about it's roughness.

*** Edited 5/19/2007 6:38:13 AM UTC by Jump to Conclusions***

My point is just that with the heartline roll removed, the train might not have to be slowed down so much. It's a possibility.

The bunny hop is probably the most sensitive element to speed. Too slow and you will sit firmly in your seat. Too fast and the negative g forces become too high for rider comfort. Because of this element, it was designed to take a particular speed with the roll in place. Now they have to keep the speed for the bunny hop about the same.

^ ..It is an airtime hill..I doubt you just sit firmly in your seat.

I think the bigger lesson here is no matter how much you design something virtually, you never really know what's going to happen in real life. So, any good designer will have a fall back plan. That's what they did with Millennium and Raptor. It's better to have the ability to easily modify something from the start. Luckily those trims were never needed on MF. But, had they been required, it would've been cake to just slap them on the brackets already there.

It is very interesting to me at the number of "additions" or modifications that were required on Maverick. The catwalks on the final brake run, just before the station and also on the brake run after the launch were all added after the fact. Maybe they did this to make the track easier to ship, but they could've at least put the brackets on the track like on the lift. It seems like an oversight to weld all that stuff onto the track after it's installed. Then we have the obvious oversight of the heartline.

I wonder if the design was "rushed" at the end. I know they started three years ago, but maybe they went through so many iterations of the design, the final one was "rushed" to get finished. Regardless, it's nice seeing the final product and I can't wait for it to open. :)

Yes there was a LOT of modifications for Maverick..wow i really hope this ride comes through for CedarPoint after all theyve had to do for it.