Maverick Track Replacement

When did the park say anything other than removing WWL was for a "future attraction?" Are you really Lance from Screamscape in disguise, chalking up everything to a big shady marketing cover up?

Are you sticking by your statement it was "impossible" to design and fab track as quickly as they did? Just curious.

Jay McKinney said:
Bla Bla Bla.... Does all this really matter?

Not any more than threads about dive shows and bugs. If you don't care, don't read, and don't post.

Tim - please stop.

That is all.

I am aware of the EM:HE process. I realize they have a big jump. So it wasn't an apples to apples comparison. But no matter how much of it was designed and prefabed, they still build it in just a couple days. They say 7 days, but that doesn't take into consideration the demo day and the day when the family comes home. Their lucky if they have 5 days to build it. In some cases they have well over a 1000 people working on the house. Plus they normaly are working 24 hours on it.

If you were building a home and were handed the completed drawings, all the prefabbed sections and a building permit, it would still take you weeks if not months to build it and finish the interior.

So the point I was trying to make is that with enough people, money and motovation, anything can be done. The biggest unknown tends to be the weather, which cedar point has been lucky with the past 2 weeks. I'm hoping they've taken this extra time and continued working on the landscaping.

And with the statement about the WWL comments. Your just being reciculous. Of course they knew what was going on. They were just having a little fun. They're not going to tell you about a new ride 2 years before it opens. But, at this point everything is out in the open. Why do you feel they just take everty opportunity they have and lie. That makes no sense.

Have you Guys Realised That There Is A New blog Up. Rippin Was Right. The Track Has Arrived At The Park and Is Ready To be INstalled.

dj how about you stop. I'm not the only one posting on this.

LOL!! I am definitely not Lance. I also don't think marketing and PR is a "cover up" as you say. I merely am saying they tell us what they want to, when they want to.

I still don't understand why you seem to think this is an earth shattering revolution. How long before construction even appeared at CP did you know about Maverick? I'm willing to bet you have at least some idea what's coming down the pipe next, too. Is the park just going to blurt out to the public what that is? Uh, no. Do I blame them? Not at all. I wouldn't either. I know what Disney has planned for Florida and other parts of the world for the next ten years because I worked on a lot of it. Do I tell people, no. Does Disney tell the public, nope. Do they deny knowing what they're doing in five years, yes. ALL companies do. It's how they remain competitive.

I've always said the park gives us WAY more information than any other park and probably way more than they need to.

Obviously I am not going to dispute they were able to get this resolution done in a quick amount of time. I'm only disputing when the process started. It most definitely didn't start two weeks ago.

I find it absurd that you can say that they "most definitely didn't start two weeks ago". You should know better than to make such a definitive statement, Tim, especially when you have absolutely NO evidence to support it.

Tim is right and the only people arguing against him are the non-engineers on this site. Nothing Jeff said is wrong, you all are just making the wrong assumptions given his facts. I don't dispute, and I don't think Tim would either, that the meeting and decision to replace the track didn't happen until last week. But, before the official decision was made, they had to have been working on it already probably as just a precaution. That's all he's saying and I agree.

Being an engineer has nothing to do with this. I'm an engineer, so why doesn't that make me correct?

Then I'm surprised you believe that this process took only a few weeks, regardless of when the decision was made.

Because you don't work for Intamin. Which means (since they get their choice of all engineers first) that you are not one of the brightest.

Therefore you aren't right.

And remember god

not god

I believe it, because I've seen many projects "fast-tracked", in an industry with similarly time-sensitive deadlines.

The simple fact of the matter is that the comparison to Extreme Makeover, while a stretch, makes a good point. In a situation like this, where a deadline has passed, all the stops are pulled out, other projects are moved to the back burner, and resources are pooled in order to make stuff happen. Plus, its not as if the fabrication needed to be accelerated that much anyhow, seeing as how their output capacity is probably much higher than they're given credit for.
*** Edited 5/22/2007 8:18:56 PM UTC by djDaemon***

Not to mention this company designs and fabricates several coasters per year which includes several thousand sections of track. I think they know how to build them quickly and efficiently.

Wow.. I always heard that coaster "enthusiasts" were nuts... Conspiracy theories over building a roller coaster... this isn't the government people, it's an amusement park! Just be glad the ride is being fixed. :) *** Edited 5/22/2007 8:19:50 PM UTC by All Wet***

halltd said:
I also don't think marketing and PR is a "cover up" as you say. I merely am saying they tell us what they want to, when they want to.

And that's not, by definition, a cover up? So I should be pissed that they scheduled me for contract work they didn't want to tell me they really didn't need me for?

That doesn't strike you as completely absurd?

But hey, you stand by the fact that it's "not possible" to crank out the new track in a month.

And the Newbi wins.... (thank you All Wet)

It doesn't matter when they started.

Just be glad that we all will be riding it fairly soon.
*** Edited 5/22/2007 8:24:53 PM UTC by CPGuru***

djDaemon said:I find it absurd that you can say that they "most definitely didn't start two weeks ago". You should know better than to make such a definitive statement, Tim, especially when you have absolutely NO evidence to support it.

I have plenty of evidence. Jeff himself said the revised track DESIGN was signed-off on the week before the park opened. That in itself implies there was a revised design already complete to sign off on. So, let's say they worked on a design for a week, that puts us at the end of April or the beginning of May. I also think a week for design is being conservative. I'm sure they went through many iterations of a design to try and save the heartline or replace it with the best solution possible. NO design of anything gets ok'd on the first pass. Even the designer himself (or herself) goes through many iterations before they get something they like. But, I'll say a week since several people said you could design a replacement in two days.

Going back even further, they have to realize there's a problem that needs re-designed. So, let's put that one week before the design started. When you see a problem like they did on a coaster, you don't just instantly start working on replacing the track. You have to figure out where the problem exists, why it exists, and what possible solutions you have to remedy said problem. We're not talking about a simple problem here. LOTS of people and trades are involved and decisions take a lot of time to make sure they're the right decisions. That now puts the problem coming up around the 23rd of April - just to give it a date.

So, if the ride opens when they hope to have it open - the beginning of June, that puts the entire process at five or six weeks, give or take. I said it would take longer than a month for the entire process, and it did.

Unlike a lot of people on here, I actually DID use logic to come up with my timeline.

Getting back to the subject of the replacement. Did everyone notice how strange the support was near the canyon. You could tell they were rushing since they used the same footings.
*** Edited 5/22/2007 8:31:00 PM UTC by CPGuru***

CPGuru said:
You could tel they were rushing since they used the same footings.

I wouldn't say that they were rushing because they used the same footings. I would say that instead of ripping out the old footings, then pouring new ones and waiting for them to cure, they instead started with the footings as they were, and worked the new design into what was already there.

halltd

Unlike a lot of people on here, I actually DID use logic to come up with my timeline.

Applause!!

WHO CARES!! The replacement track is here, being installed and thats all that should matter.