Dick Kinzel's Revenge! (Shot Glass size Free Water Cups)...

Is this thread seriously still going? We're not talking the second shooter on the grassy knoll, for God's sake. It's just free water. Deal with it.

You know, this is a forum that lives in perpetuity, and new people come here every day. New people come, see something they agree with, and they chime in. That the distaste for CP's cheapness and underhanded "suggestion" you buy soda keeps coming back might just mean something.

Go ahead and spend $3.50 or $3.75(whatever it is now) on a soda, and stop bashing people that don't want to get raked over the coals. I expect to pay more for things like drinks at a place like cedarpoint, but there is a limit on pricing before it becomes obvious that they are scalping you.

We get it....you don't care, but it's obvious that a lot of people do. There are a few reasons I don't spend my money on drinks(or food for that matter) at cedarpoint. First is the outragious prices. Next, I don't really drink soda much anymore. So where does that leave me? I refuse to pay almost $4 for a bottle of water, and drinking fountains are just o-k, but if I am going to stand in a 45 min or longer line, I want something I can sip on if it's a hot day. There are no drinking fountains in line like they have at disney.

One question.

Why is it that at almost every other amusement park, the drink prices are eather lower or even free in a few casses?

Disney's drink prices are almost half of what cedarpoint is charging for a drink. Heck, even six flags fountain drink prices are a little cheaper.

Holiday world, and lake compounce offer FREE soda. Sure it's hidden in the gate price, but it is still much less than what I would expect to pay for a single drink at cedarpoint.

I took my daughter to the zoo the other day(another place where you expect to pay a little more for things), and a 20oz bottle of pepsi or water was only $2.Still more than what I could get it for outside of the zoo, but not crazy expensive like cedarpoint.

So don't look at me like I am crazy because I don't like to bend over and pay the outragious prices for a drink just because I am inside of cedarpoint.

I'm not trying to bash anyone. It's my opinion that the subject (such as it is) has been talked to death. Jeff says otherwise. No problem.

Point of fact, I do care about the ridiculous prices on drinks, and for that matter CP's pricing in general. Which is why, as I have mentioned many times before, I seldom buy a drink in the park or even eat there anymore.

I can see now that I was being overly flippant. I'll shut up here. :)

I did not mean to give anyone a hard time. I understand the idea of having some water while waiting in line. I do believe the price of food and beverage at CP is a "bit" out of hand. I would spend a lot more money in there if I wasnt so worried about buying 5 dollar fries.

When it comes to buying souveniers, the park is pretty fair. I paid 5 dollars for a couple of nice drinking glasses and not much more for a couple stuffed animals for my nephew. If only CP would price everything within reason.

To save money, don't buy a parking pass. When you pay to park, keep your receipt. You can get your money back at the restaurants that are not in the park except for Fridays, I believe. Famous Dave's is where I go to get decent food at a normal price and then I get my $10 knocked off the meal that I had paid for parking. It's a win-win situation.

Drinking fountains are there for a reason.

As far as 20oz bottles of pop, the Detroit Zoo charges $2.50 for one and they are government supported.

The Detroit zoo is no longer government supported. http://www.detroitzoo.org/ look at the bottom of the page.

Saving the $10 on parking is a great idea if you want to spend $30 on a meal every time you go to the park. So let's say I go to the park 10 times a year. That would cost me $300 more a year then just getting a parking pass. Besides, I have a pp, that includes parking.

Not quite a win-win is it?

"Drinking fountains are there for a reason"

Show me where there is a drinking fountain in any line at cedarpoint. I see lots of vending machines with $375 sodas in them.

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You know, you can bring a water bottle into the park with you, and refill it at those drinking fountains (which I'm fairly sure are still free). That water bottle can then be carried into lines so you can laugh at idiots paying $3.75* for soda.

*They went up to $3.75 this year? Crazy.

Ok...then what do I do with that bottle after I am done standing in line for an hour on dragster or millenium force? That's right....I have to throw it out in order to ride.

They make it to where you are forced to buy the soda at crazy prices. All I want is a decent sized cup of water to sip on in line....Is that too much to ask for?

You could open the empty bottle, compact it and then replace the cap - the bottle should now easily fit into a cargo pocket. Or you could throw it in a garbage can. I hear there are a few around the park.

Forced? Please. I've not purchased a soda in the park in years, and not one park official has attempted to take me to court. Yet.

Or, they could just give me a normal sized cup of water. Problem solved.

Again, 8 oz. is, in fact, a "normal" serving size. Problem solved.

No it is not...that's a shot glass of water.

Why do you always stick up for the park? It's like they can do no wrong.

The problem with people these days is that they are lazy and do not care about anything anymore. I am not one of those people.

People just sit back and don't stand up for what is wrong .They just bend over and accept it.

A cup of water cost's them next to nothing. So what is behind shrinking the cups of water in the first place? How does that help guest satisfaction or the image of the park. I can think of a lot more negative then positive.

Why woulden't you want your guest's to leave with a good lasting memory? Look what happend to six flags when they cut back on everything. They are a much better park today, but they still have a cloud over there head from the mistakes of the past.

I am not saying that a cup of ice water is the tipping point, but it's just another negative thing to remember about the park.

It seems like guest satisfaction has been put on the back burner the past few years. It's all about the money and nothing else.

Like I said on here several times, I now ask for 4 cups of water, and it takes them twice as long to get them for me and holds up the line.

I understand that you don't care or agree with me...that's fine. But don't try and make me look like the bad guy because I don't share your opinion.

crazy horse said:
No it is not...that's a shot glass of water.

Sorry, but 8oz. is considered a serving size of fluid. Check the next water bottle you buy.

Why do you always stick up for the park? It's like they can do no wrong.

Give me a break. I'm one of the many people who complain about the park's abhorrent value perception when it comes to concessions. But you know what? You're bitching about something that's provided free of charge. If I were an out-of-touch CF official, I would see that type of whining as proof that no matter what we do, people will bitch and moan, so why bother changing anything?

People just sit back and don't stand up for what is wrong .They just bend over and accept it.

Have you stopped going to the park?

Yeah... didn't think so. How's your backside feelin'?

I am not saying that a cup of ice water is the tipping point, but it's just another negative thing to remember about the park.

It seems like guest satisfaction has been put on the back burner the past few years. It's all about the money and nothing else.

Oh, I certainly agree, and I would bet big money that this sort of thing will come back to haunt CF in the long run. But you know what? There are about 5,000 other infinitely more important things to complain about that free friggin water. I mean, c'mon. If they're this out of touch with regard to value, do you think the park takes complaints about free stuff seriously?

Like I said on here several times, I now ask for 4 cups of water, and it takes them twice as long to get them for me and holds up the line.

Great. Way to be a part of the problem, jackass!

I understand that you don't care or agree with me...that's fine. But don't try and make me look like the bad guy because I don't share your opinion.

I do care about the park and the value I get out of it. That's why I don't buy food or drink in the park. I bring my own, and I've yet to die of dehydration or starvation, which is shocking, since it seems that you cannot make it from one free water fountain to the next without collapsing from lack of fluid.

"Sorry, but 8oz. is considered a serving size of fluid. Check the next water bottle you buy."

So a 8oz sip of water(minus ice), is a satisfactory amount of water?

" You're bitching about something that's provided free of charge. If I were an out-of-touch CF official, I would see that type of whining as proof that no matter what we do, people will bitch and moan, so why bother changing anything?"

Exactly...it's free. So why would they shrink the size down? Your missing the point. Whining and bitching may get me a little further than sitting back and saying nothing at all. And I think that there are quite a few "out of touch" cf officials. It's rather obvious.

"Have you stopped going to the park?

Yeah... didn't think so. How's your backside feelin'?"

Nope...still go. Just don't spend my money there now.

"There are about 5,000 other infinitely more important things to complain about that free friggin water. I mean, c'mon. If they're this out of touch with regard to value, do you think the park takes complaints about free stuff seriously?"

I agree there are many other important problems. But this is A problem as well, and it just so happens there is a thread on a discusion board about it. Again, you may not think it's a big deal, but some people DO. Imagine that.

"Great. Way to be a part of the problem, jackass! Do you think idiots buy"

So it's my fault they shrunk the cups and that I have to ask for more than 1 cup now?

"I do care about the park and the value I get out of it. That's why I don't buy food or drink in the park. I bring my own, and I've yet to die of dehydration or starvation, which is shocking, since it seems that you cannot make it from one free water fountain to the next without collapsing from lack of fluid."

So are you saying that now that they shrunk the cups, you find more value in the park?

I don't get thirsty because I drink the ice water. Why should I have to worry about hauling a water bottle around with me and have to figure out what to do with it when I am getting on a ride, when I can just get a cup of water, and throw it away when I am done? Again, there are no water fountains in line.

As far as food goes, I leave the park to eat 99% of the time, or on a rare occasion I may get some bbq at Daves,or panda express.

crazy horse said:

So a 8oz sip of water(minus ice), is a satisfactory amount of water?

You were complaining that you were not getting a "normal sized" serving of water. I was merely pointing out that 8oz is a standard serving size. Just because fat ass Americans feel the need to chug down 20oz of sugar water every hour doesn't mean its normal.

Exactly...it's free. So why would they shrink the size down?

To incentivize their overpriced options available for purchase.

Whining and bitching may get me a little further than sitting back and saying nothing at all. And I think that there are quite a few "out of touch" cf officials. It's rather obvious.

Really? You think Cedar "Three Dollars is Reasonable for Sugar Water" Fair gives a damn about people complaining about what they offer for free? And when did I suggest there weren't out of touch CF folk?

Nope...still go. Just don't spend my money there now.

But... If you really wanted to, in your words, "stand up for what is wrong", wouldn't the appropriate course of action be to not visit the park? I mean, you can't exactly refuse to purchase something that cannot be purchased, right? So, if your complaint is their free offerings, you should stop going altogether. Otherwise, you're just "bending over and accepting it". And no, being a rude jackass in line isn't "fighting the power". You're just being an annoyance to those in line behind you.

So it's my fault they shrunk the cups and that I have to ask for more than 1 cup now?

But you're not asking for 4 cups because of some biological need. You're doing it because you feel wronged by The Man, and are trying desperately and ineffectively to stick it to him.

So are you saying that now that they shrunk the cups, you find more value in the park?

Where the hell did you get that idea?

Basicly everything you said, passes blame on the park. Why are you trying to make me look like the bad guy?

I still go to the park because i enjoy some of the rides. They are not making a dime off of me other than the season pass I buy once a year. I have used that pass at several other parks this year and cedar point. I would say I used it around 20 times, or close to it. And in the trips to cedarfair parks, I can count on one hand how many times I have spent money in the park this year...weather it be food, drink, t shirts...ect. How are they(cedarfair) comming out ahead, by me going to the park and not spending a dime? It has become standerd practice that when I visit a cedarfair park, I leave the park to eat lunch, and get dinner after I leave at the end of the night.

It was not always like this eather. I used to buy drinks,ice cream, food, inside the park all the time. Then the prices and quality got waaaayy out of hand, so I stopped.

I am not the only one eather. Do you think that a family that just spent$60 for a lousy meal, is gonna be happy when they ask for water to drink with that meal and are handed a tiny cup of water? That's a slap in the face.

"Really? You think Cedar "Three Dollars is Reasonable for Sugar Water" Fair gives a damn about people complaining about what they offer for free? And when did I suggest there weren't out of touch CF folk?"

There is my problem with the park. They don't give a damn, and it's gonna come back and bite them.

"But you're not asking for 4 cups because of some biological need. You're doing it because you feel wronged by The Man, and are trying desperately and ineffectively to stick it to him."

Really? You know how much fluid my body requires, or what I normaly drink or want? They cut the size of the drinks by almost 3/4 the size they were before. That's why I ask for more than one cup. Not to be an ass. This is cedarfairs doing, not mine. How is that " ineffectivly sticking it to them"?

So are you saying that now that they shrunk the cups, you find more value in the park?

"Where the hell did you get that idea?"

"I do care about the park and the value I get out of it."

You said it yourself. You do care about the value. So does shrinking the cups of ice water give the park "more value"?

The average human pees out around 50oz of fluid each day. Considering that you get about 20% of your fluid through food and such, that means the average person needs only 40oz of water. You're getting nearly that much each time you visit a concession stand. Sure, you may require a bit more or less, but that's the average. If you need to consume 32oz each time you visit a concession stand, I seriously suggest seeing a doctor. And I'm not being funny - I mean that.

Its an ineffective "strategy" because they clearly don't care. The extent of the "damage" you're causing is the use of more cups. Big deal. Keep doing that and eventually they'll realize they're not making as much concession revenue as they used to. Then they'll raise prices on other stuff to get their revenue back up. Great idea! You sure showed them!

No, I think its obvious your asking for several cups is you being passive-aggressive and thinking you're all cool and making a difference. I sincerely doubt you are.

crazy horse said:

"Where the hell did you get that idea?"

"I do care about the park and the value I get out of it."

You said it yourself. You do care about the value. So does shrinking the cups of ice water give the park "more value"?

Yes, I care about the value I get out of a park visit. I have no idea how you construe that as me suggesting a smaller free water cup increases said value. I never suggested it did. Perhaps you don't understand the concept of "value"? Not being a jerk - I honestly have no idea where you're coming from there.

Well your right then.

Cedarpoint is the bestest park in the world.

They should be praised for shrinking the cups, because...well...that's all people need to survive.Shame on them for giving out larger cups of water. What a waste of resourses.

No need in making the guest happy, because that does not matter. As long as they are making money, then nothing else matters?...Right? It's all about the bean counters after all.

Besides...people gotta eat and drink....right?

I wonder why busch and disney parks are rated so high? Maybe they should stop giving large cups of water out, and get rid of the drinking fountains in the lines. After all, the average person does not need that much water to survive. While they are at it, why don't they charge $2 more for a soda or water than what they charge now. This will not only guarintee that they stay ranked as the best chain in the buisness, but they will be right in line with cedarfair. And it will put them right there with cedarfair....the bestest park chain in the world.

Thanks for proving my point about you being a passive-aggressive moron.