Chick-fil-A Ban

Your mom is to fat to ride TTD. said:
I'm speaking totally as a 19 year old and some one who doesn't want kids, but wouldn't you at least want your kids to be straight so they don't have all the hardship the rest of their life? They are, unfortunately, going to face bullying, being scrutinized, etc.. Why would you not care if they have to face that? I understand you would support them and love them no matter what, I get that, but to say you have no preference makes no sense to me. I, as a parent, wouldn't want them to face that.

No parent wants to see their kid teased, bullied, etc. for anything. Some people will tease, bully, etc. someone who is gay. Though I am not sure how that is relevant to the discussion of same sex marriage. Unless you view being gay as a choice which no one I know (other than religious nutjobs) does.

Thanks for bringing nothing new to the discussion. What a person has a right to say still has no bearing on anything. We've been over that time and time again.

What's your agenda for asking anyone about how they would act if their kid was gay? I wouldn't care if he was, but I hope he's not only because of the bigots and morons he'd have to contend with.

I like Mike's comparison to mixed race marriage, because it has so much in common. Fortunately, in the long run, it will have the same outcome.

I wonder if Cedar Fair had to go through the same long interview process just to be a franchise owner of Chick Fil-A. Being a franchise owner is cheap, only $5,000 dollars to open a Chick-Fil-A. But you have a interview process and you have to be a church going conservative, family ect.

^I just read about that yesterday
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/approved-open-chickfila-11450.html
Step 6 is something I want to bring up here

Disclose your marital status. Chick-fil-A founder and chairman S. Truett Cathy prefers franchise operators who are married and requires all candidates to be open about the state of their relationship. One-third of all Chick-fil-A operators have attended Christian relationship-building retreats at the urging of the company. Cathy notes that he would probably terminate the contract of an operator who had done something sinful or harmful to his family.

so if a man (or women) was a perfect candidate in every way to be a franchise owner has a beautiful happy family adopted children that had no family, but had a same sex partner. This to a christan it both considered "sinful or harmful to his family" so a hard working, gay would be denied a contract simply biased on who he loves.

^, ^^...something to read that goes with your comments.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/01/chick-fil-a-store-breaks-with...gbt-pride/

CPJim123 said:
He is allowed to support causes he believes in. If you do not like their causes or don't agree with how they are spending their money, don't give them your money....

...Cedar Fair should not terminate this business relationship because of this issue. They have no grounds to do so...

So he is allowed to believe in causes and spend money towards that cause. But if Cedar Fair were to disagree with that cause, they are not allowed to terminate their contract with them? How does that make any sense?

I don't see how some people on here don't understand that if you are a business that is working with another company and you find out that company doesn't operate in a way you agree with, that you have every right to stop doing business with them. I don't see it being hard to get out of a contract/lease with a good lawyer, especially since the grounds for termination are not agreeing with the business practices of CFA. Now I am not saying this is going to happen with Cedar Fair, only that it could happen and that I don't see how it would be illegal as some have stated here.

And, again, the Cathy family is able to run their business that way because they are privately-held. It appears their business model has been very, very successful for them.

I disagree with their position on gay marriage but continue to be impressed by the company they built. Their food is always consistent, and their employees are the most courteous, friendly and effecient employees in any quick-service restaurant I've ever been in... every time.

I actually admire the Cathy's more through all of this. Putting their principles and values above what is best for them financially. If more fundamentally evil and hateful people would run their companies the way the Cathy's do, many businesses would be better for both the consumer and employee (and in the long-term, the owners).

99er said:
So he is allowed to believe in causes and spend money towards that cause. But if Cedar Fair were to disagree with that cause, they are not allowed to terminate their contract with them? How does that make any sense?

I don't see how some people on here don't understand that if you are a business that is working with another company and you find out that company doesn't operate in a way you agree with, that you have every right to stop doing business with them. I don't see it being hard to get out of a contract/lease with a good lawyer, especially since the grounds for termination are not agreeing with the business practices of CFA. Now I am not saying this is going to happen with Cedar Fair, only that it could happen and that I don't see how it would be illegal as some have stated here.

I think you may need to take a basic b-law course.

Generally, Cedar Fair would not be able to terminate their contract with Chick-fil-A without significant financial penalties simply because they disagree with Chick-fil-A's views on gay marriage and certain organizations Chick-fil-A supports (which was all widely known and documented prior to Cedar Fair partnering with Chick-fil-A).

It's not difficult, just basic contract law.

There are many contracts that now include "morality clauses." For example, Petrino as Arkansas football coach. However, disagreeing with gay marriage, when just less than half the country also disagrees, likely would not fall under a "morality clause" even with the best lawyer. And this is assuming Cedar Fair wants out of the contract... which I'm guessing this isn't even on the radar of CF management.

Observer2000 said:
Generally, Cedar Fair would not be able to terminate their contract with Chick-fil-A without significant financial penalties simply because they disagree with Chick-fil-A's views on gay marriage and certain organizations Chick-fil-A supports (which was all widely known and documented prior to Cedar Fair partnering with Chick-fil-A).

So where are all the news stories on CFA suing the Henson company for terminating their contract with the company? After the Henson Company made it public, we saw nothing more on the story and nothing from CFA. Like I said, IF Cedar Fair wanted out, their lawyers would have no problem doing so.

According to the LA Times, the Henson company will not be partnering with any future promotions with CFA. Based on this comment I don't believe they are terminating any current contracts with them.

As CPJim123 pointed out, it was announced Henson won't be doing future partnerships with CFA. Chick-fil-A then decided to pull Henson products (toys) from their kid's meals.

I'd guess Henson and CFA had more of a vendor relationship. If that's the case, Henson can refuse to do business with Chick-fil-a as a customer. If they had a formal contract or agreement, I'd guess the financial penalties for Henson ending a toy partnership a few weeks or months prematurely are a heck of a lot less than a company with 4 franchise operations ending their contractual obligation years early.

GoBucks89 said:
Though I am not sure how that is relevant to the discussion of same sex marriage. Unless you view being gay as a choice which no one I know (other than religious nutjobs) does.

Go back one page. It was already being talked about, I just wanted to ask that question. It's not like I pulled that from my ass.

Observer2000 said:
Their food is always consistent...

Is that because MSG is so delicious?

OMG, I am afraid to even order chicken anywhere now. If they ask me my preference for white or dark meat, I won't know what to say.

But I guess the following link pretty much sums up this entire discussion...

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e86050c415/kfc-loves-gays-with-john-goodman

If more fundamentally evil and hateful people would run their companies the way the Cathy's do, many businesses would be better for both the consumer and employee (and in the long-term, the owners).

As long as they aren't in a minority group in danger of being oppressed.

(rim-shot)

Jeff said:
Is that because MSG is so delicious?

I'm not sure. I'd guess Chick-fil-a's food isn't any more unhealthy than the majority of food served at any other quick service franchise or places like Cedar Point or ballparks, for example. Yet CFA management finds ways to offer consistent food from friendly, pleasant and efficient employees. That's something Wendy's, Steak n Shake, Cedar Fair (name your company) has not been able to accomplish.

You see what you want see. CFA sucked even before they were homo-hating in a public way, and the fact that they engage in industrial poultry production doesn't help. Comparing it to other fast food is like comparing two kinds of feces... Both are still ****.

Your opinion is pretty clear. You think Chick-fil-A "sucked" and you dislike them even more since they publicly become "fundamentally evil" and "homo-hating." I guess "you only see what you want to see."

But compare it to any mid-level restaurant chain you want. You simply won't find more friendly, courteous and efficient employees on a consistent level at every location anywhere. I've been at Chick-fil-A's hundreds of times in probably 10 or 11 different states. Same level of superior service every time, every where; particularly coming from a quick service restaurant. Like I said, I don't agree with their CEO's position on gay marriage, but certainly continue to admire the business the Cathy family has built and more importantly, how they have built their business.

Your mom is to fat to ride TTD. said:

GoBucks89 said:
Though I am not sure how that is relevant to the discussion of same sex marriage. Unless you view being gay as a choice which no one I know (other than religious nutjobs) does.

Go back one page. It was already being talked about, I just wanted to ask that question. It's not like I pulled that from my ass.

Never said you did.

I too disagree that they don't suck (gay issue aside). Jeff, why do they (and have they based on your statement) "sucked"? What does this mean? And I hope we only compare them to their peers, not Ruth Chris, or something else dissimilar.

Seriously... Burger King? Wendys?? McDonalds??? Way more sucky than CFA, especially on a food quality level. I don't think too many people here will disagree with that statement.

It's better to say they all suck when it comes to quality.....and by all I mean all. You can't spell diabetes and obesity without fast food. :)