Cedar Point 2012

^ I would. CP already has 2 (or 3 depending on your point of view) family coasters- along with many other family rides. I don't see them adding a small family coaster just for the sake of "adding a new coaster." Plus, they've gone 5 years without a new coaster, so if they do build one, (in 2013 I hope) I think it will be something spectacular, IMO.

I pray nightly for some sort of family attraction. And I don't even have a family (though I did stay at a Holiday Inn last year).

CP could hold off on coasters for a few more years, and still have one of the best collections on the planet. What they don't have is a nice collection of family attractions. What little they do have isn't very modern and/or interesting, compared to what other parks have done in recent years.

Pete said:

Please state your source that CP is not the top money maker of the chain? I don't think you are correct. With two gated parks, 3 hotels, campground, cabins, indoor water park, 2 marinas and out of park restaurants I believe CP is still the cash cow of the chain by a fairly large margin. Plus, if you take CP's 2010 attendance of 3 million plus Soak City's 2010 attendance of 387,000 you have combined attendance equal or slighty above Canada's Wonderland.

I wasn't claiming Cedar Point was not the largest money maker of the chain. I was trying to bring up the point that back in the day when the chain consisted of Worlds of Fun, Dorney, Geauga Lake, etc. Cedar Point was the standout money maker. Now that Cedar Fair owns Dominion, Island, Wonderland, Cedar Point still may be the leader but I think many of the new parks are slowly creeping up.

I'm not an expert on attendance stats, or Return on Investment stats etc, but my personal situation could possibly be telling as far as CP and if they need a new ride goes...

We normally spend between six to eight days a summer travelling from outside Toronto to CP. This year, we all decided that after so many trips to CP without any truly exciting new reasons to keep going, we would sample other parks. We spent a few days at King's Island, and then travelled down to Jersey to check out SF Great Adventure, and are going to check out the smaller Waldameer Park in the next week or so as well.

I'm a CP fanboy, and am not 'losing interest'...but if even the most diehard point fans are trying out the competition, maybe it's time for CP to up the ante a little.

That being said, I would definitely agree that it wouldn't be terrible if they spent a lot of money on upgrading the park this year, particularly adding something for the 'legal age' set that's open past 11pm. There's nothing worse than being stuck at Castaway Bay and having TGI Friday's closing an hour after the waterpark does.

I visited kings island a couple days this year and carowinds for a couple days too. I also visited knots berry farm last year and there was little to no wait at all on the big coasters at those parks. (xcelerator was closed when I went to knots berry farm). And I have been to cedar point numerous times this year and the park has always had at least a 20 min wait for the big coasters like maverick ttd and millennium. Except when I went on memorial day.

What I'm saying is I believe cedar point is still the flagship park. There's always a crowd at cedar point of some kind. Cedar fair has been focusing on the old paramount parks because they were really below par. Theyve gotten a lot better but no park canl match up to what Cedar Point is.

Lots of parks can match up to...or beat...what Cedar Point is doing. Maybe no Cedar Fair park can...but I've heard a lot of good things about Canada's Wonderland.

Ya there are parks such as Disney that can beat cedar point but in the cedar fair chain no park can beat it.

Chief Wahoo said:
Lots of parks can match up to...or beat...what Cedar Point is doing. Maybe no Cedar Fair park can...but I've heard a lot of good things about Canada's Wonderland.

Six Flags Great Adventure in Jersey certainly gives CP a run for it's money. If Kingda Ka weren't such an epic fail, it would probably win my award for the park with the best rides.

CP still blows Wonderland out of the water. CW may have 15 coasters, but only about 3 are actually ridable. Behemoth is world class and MineBuster and Vortex are passable, but Wonderland is really filled with a lot of crap (I've said many times, you know you're in trouble when the 'premiere' ride before Behemoth was a Vekoma clone (and an excrutiating one at that)

Kings Island is not much better IMO. Diamondback, Vortex, Racer and Beast are the only ones that are worth anything IMO. Invertigo is horrible, Firehawk is blah and has horrible capacity, Flight of Fear horrible capacity, Flight Deck isn't too bad if you can find it, Stunt Track might be a decent ride but 1hr+ wait times for it on a Sunday is rediculous. CP has spoiled us I guess, I look at the list of rides at the Paramount Parks pre Cedar Fair is its pretty pathetic. Theres no comparison to CP.

If it wasn't for Diamondback I wouldn't have even though about going to KI, only live 2hrs away and have only been there 2 times in 18yrs. Even if CP doesn't build a new coaster in the next few years, it will still have great attendance.

I was in line for Maverick earlier this year and was talking to a family (dad, mom, 3 kids maybe 8-15 or so), they live only 30 mins from Kennywood and 3.5hr from CP and they haven't been to KW in 7yrs but they try to make it to CP once a month as soon as schools out. I asked them about KW since i've never been there and they didn't think it was that great.

I do believe that CP is still the main park, but Cedar Fair is starting to try and make the other parka more popular.

Cedar Point is one of the main parks in the world. I'm sure it beats Cedar Fair LOL

I find it interesting that in the past few days the discussion has changed from what might be coming in 2012 to the possible departure of PWE. I can't say that has happened a lot in the past.

I wouldn't mind like duel racing eurofighters.

Chuck Wagon said:
I find it interesting that in the past few days the discussion has changed from what might be coming in 2012 to the possible departure of PWE. I can't say that has happened a lot in the past.

Well it looks like we aren't GETTING anything exciting. So we might as well start talking about things that we hope aren't leaving.

Exactly. A sign of maturity really, which is more than I can say about comments on Facebook.

Minime15834 said:

Corkscrew Follies said:

I think any one of those would be wonderful addition to the point. Any one of them would be more thrilling than the 300ft. rotating, brightly lighted, highly exhilirating lawn ornament they put in this year.

Have you actually even ridden it? I thought it was pretty dang cool. It's thrilling because you are just kinda dangling 300 feet in the air, plus it's cool because you get an amazing 360 degree view and can see really far. I know it's just my opinon, but I enjoyed Windseeker (:

Wouldn't have commented on it if I haven't. I have ridden both KI's and CP's and personally I think they are just overgrown wave swingers. At KI I sat next to a young girl maybe 8 or 9 and she said if this all this ride does it is pretty lame. Pretty sad when a little kid thinks of the new star attaraction that way.

^^ Yeah I thought it sucked too. It looks cool from parking lot. But I don't think Cedar Point intended spending millions on a Prop/Ornament.

I'm pretty sure their intention was to spend millions on a new ride experience (as well as other in park spending/improvements). Where else in the park can you spin 270'+ in the air with just a lap bar and nothing below you? Sure it doesn't spin at 80mph at 75° and it may be similar to Space Spiral but it's still unique. If you don't like it, that's fine. But a waste of money your experience does not make it.

Plus look at the area it's at. It brought new life to an area that has remained rather bare. It moved a ride that got little attention to a new spot with a new look in the front of the park. I mean you can't limit your view/opinion of something to just one aspect of a new ride. I mean you could but then might have to look up the definition of self-interest. It's unfortunate that people do however. And yet it's fortunate to know that a few negative enthusiast views don't dictate what we get.

p.s.-I'm not pointing fingers.....just making a broad statement regarding self-interest in the enthusiast community.

Mmmhmm when I was there last week. For one Windseeker had a little line when it was closed ALL day and opened. Still didn't draw any attention. My boss, sister, friend, girlfriend, and I all thought it was lame. And that's without me saying anything to them. I asked them before I told them what I thought. Even people getting off ride looked glad to get off to go ride Dragster or Millennium. I know what you mean when they are trying to bring that area to life, but it was same as it has been since Wicked Twister. Was built, well maybe Max Air. But near Planet Snoopy it's just little kids. Keep walking your at Wicked Twister/Maxair. Then you see people and feel like your at an amusement park again. Well, to me and a ton others. This ride was a fail. My sister was so disappointed when she found out Chaos was removed. That is her favorite ride lol. She liked Chaos over Windseeker.

^ I thought Windseeker was a success!