Cedar Point 2012

A rumor from another forum is that the WWK head of security was laid off unexpectedly and security now falls in the realm of the lifeguards. Layoffs like that occurred during the final year of Geauga Lake. Also the name was changed from Geuaga Lake's Wildwater Kingdom to just Wildwater Kingdom, presumably so they can use leftover souvenir cups at Dorney next year. Make of these rumors what you will, but I think a little suspicion is justified.

http://www.wildwaterfun.com/

If you go to the bottom of the page, it still says Geauga Lake's Wildwater Kingdom

Pete said:Also the name was changed from Geuaga Lake's Wildwater Kingdom to just Wildwater Kingdom, presumably so they can use leftover souvenir cups at Dorney next year. Make of these rumors what you will, but I think a little suspicion is justified.

Or is it so they can buy from the same supplier and sell the same cups at both parks to save money, not to mention share supply? Business Sense 101.
You're right, though. A little suspicion is justified.

Is te water park ever even crowded?? whenever i go, its hardly crowded at all.

There's one thing CF is missing, a really good outdoor waterpark. Some thing like Noahs Ark, or schlitterbahn. And they can make Geauga Lake a place like that. Like people said before, they have the land, they can add different things that aren't really at other parks. They could actually build a water coaster, or an aquatrax.

I dont think they would do any of that.

I know they wouldn't, but I was just throwing something out there I'd like to see.

I'd love to see a new genre of coaster at CP. I've never ridden a B&M flyer, but I really enjoy Firehawk at King's Island. I hear the B&M's are better, so I'd really like to see CP get one of those, preferably record-breaking of course. :)

The one at Six Flags Great America in Chicago is 'eh'. It's cool, nothing great, and lost it's attractiveness after a couple rides.

AmazingMaverick(: said:
There's one thing CF is missing, a really good outdoor waterpark. Some thing like Noahs Ark, or schlitterbahn. And they can make Geauga Lake a place like that. Like people said before, they have the land, they can add different things that aren't really at other parks. They could actually build a water coaster, or an aquatrax.

That's what I was getting at. WWK is a really nice place, and is already a very appealing attraction (way better than Soak City). When it comes to waterparks, Schlitterbahn will always be known for being one of the best, even if it's in Texas. WWK and Schlitterbahn will never compete or be rivals, seeing that one is in Ohio and the other is in Texas, but there's no reason why WWK can not set the bar to Schlitterbahn's level and pass them.

I'd have to agree with bholcomb - the flyer at Six Flags Great America is...just alright. I'd much rather see a nice floorless coaster at Cedar Point. I love the feeling of how free you are, flying above the track.

I rode the floorless coaster at Geauga Lake while that was still around. While it was a fun ride, it was not different enough from Raptor to make a B&M floorless something I'd like to see at CP. If CP is getting a coaster, I hope it is something very innovative and different.

Jeff said:

Fortunately for the rest of us, you don't get to decide where a thread might go.

I'll say it again, there's a sentiment on the part of several people who believe that anything other than a roller coaster is a waste of time for the park to build, and that no one would care if the pet farm disappeared. I'm saying that sentiment is nonsense, and contrary to what the park has to do to maintain a diverse attraction experience that has a broad appeal, especially to families with young children, who spend the most money.

Yeah, if I decided, people might actually get help when they come here instead of 30 different replies of jokes they don't get.

I'm not one of the people that believe anything other than a roller coaster is a waste of time. However, no one would care except for the enthusiasts on this board if it went away. This hive mind can make all the claims they want, the point is, they're not the families spending money every day at the park. The families will continue to spend even if they remove one petting zoo. It's nonsense to think it will make any difference.

You say you won't fly across the country for a water park that you have close to home, but you will for a petting zoo? They don't have petting zoos on the west coast?

Why even bother comparing Cedar Point to anything Disney? Thats taking the lazy route. Cedar Point is not and will never be Disney. Its ridiculous to even make the claim and leaves me wondering if you have paid any attention to how either park operates or if you've been to either.

A while back, Cedar Point asked people on their Facebook to vote Cedar Point as the better park against Disney. The response was overwhelming in the comments about how Cedar Point could never compare. It was actually embarrassing. As embarrassing as relating the two parks together.

When has Cedar Fair claimed Cedar Point is a family park? They have not, and they have not added a ride package and made the claim. It seems you're the one making the claim and not Cedar Fair.

I'd like to see a B&M Wingrider coaster! It would be the first in the US.

A b&m Flyer would be cool and trust me there are alot of fun... but im not sure whre they would put it at CP... KI there is alot of room... And Ive been told when building at CP = a build at KI. KI's things isnt records it family.... So all i know is im going to enjoy this season and look forward to the end of the season to see what 2012 brings

PrawoJazdy said:
This hive mind can make all the claims they want, the point is, they're not the families spending money every day at the park.

I suspect you're vastly underestimating the community, both here and at CB. Within these communities, there's a ton of knowledge from various perspectives. And yes, there are quite a few families involved in both communities.

The families will continue to spend even if they remove one petting zoo. It's nonsense to think it will make any difference.

You keep trying to make this about the petting zoo, when it clearly is not. The petting zoo is a symptom of the "disease", if you will. The removal of the petting zoo would be a problem because of all the similar attractions that have removed in the past. Those attractions have not been replaced with modern counterparts, which is what the concern is.

Why even bother comparing Cedar Point to anything Disney? Thats taking the lazy route. Cedar Point is not and will never be Disney.

Actually, your business "strategy" of eh, why even bother trying to compete is what's lazy. Regardless of how little or how much their target audiences overlap, Disney and CF are competing for the same discretionary income. To ignore Disney's success and not integrate what made Disney successful would be incredibly lazy.

As embarrassing as relating the two parks together.

I really don't get what's so "embarrassing" about analyzing what a competitor does and integrating those ideas in order to be more competitive.

^^^^^Agreed. I've also ridden a floorless, and while I agree it was very free, it didn't feel unlike Raptor & other B&M's I'd been on.

I have to give props to B&M for their reliability, capacity, low maintenance, and their ability to age well (Raptor from 1994 is still smooth) -- basically everything a park wants.

On the other hand, all the B&M's I've ridden blend into memory. Their designs always seem on medium scale with all the same elements. I've also never liked the non-inverted turns on B&M's...like Mantis/Diamondback...the turns feel so slow, forgettable, and pointless the way they're designed. I feel B&M would greatly benefit losing their trademark 4-wide seat and try smaller-scale track with quicker elements and 2-wide seating. Wait, I'm kind of describing Intamin...

Anyway, since I haven't ridden a B&M Flyer, maybe I shouldn't suggest I want one if it'd feel similar to Raptor (though I do love the flying sensation). Like Pete said, I just want something very fresh at CP...they've conquered your typical sit-down, steel roller coaster. Let's take on 4-D or something to really up the variety.

Edit: Also, though I feel Cedar Point is getting ripe for a new roller coaster, I wouldn't mind them taking 2012 off and transforming Disaster Transport into a compelling dark ride (renamed as the main 2012 attraction), fixing Maverick's tunnel, and adding theming to Shoot the Rapids.

djDaemon said:

I suspect you're vastly underestimating the community, both here and at CB. Within these communities, there's a ton of knowledge from various perspectives. And yes, there are quite a few families involved in both communities.

That still doesn't make these communities a majority.

It is about the petting zoo. I'm not talking about anything else.

It's the notion that pet farms aren't necessary but building big roller coasters every year is.

Sorry, but I'm not going to take the 'ol switcharoo about what this thread is and isn't about.

I see reading is a problem for you again. I didn't place a business strategy in my comment. I said comparing Cedar Point to Disney is lazy. Take a second, breath and maybe wait a few minutes before hitting submit to make sure you're reading what I wrote correctly.

You don't understand what is embarrassing about it because you didn't understand the comment the first time.

Here, lets read it together.

A while back, Cedar Point asked people on their Facebook to vote Cedar Point as the better park against Disney. The response was overwhelming in the comments about how Cedar Point could never compare. It was actually embarrassing. As embarrassing as relating the two parks together.

It was embarrassing for Cedar Point to try and ask its Facebook community to vote Cedar Point as the better park. I did not write anything about comparing business strategies. It wasn't even close. Perhaps you're confusing message boards?

If you want to know whats embarrassing about comparing the business strategies of Cedar Fair to Disney, let me ask you this. Does Honda try to use Bentley strategies? Does Timex charge $400,000 for a watch like Rolex? Can you buy a coach quality bag at Kmart from Jaqueline Smith? Do you get an Angel bed from Ritz-Carlton at Super 8?

I just got back from Kings Island and took a ride on Boo Blasters at Boo Hill. If Cedar Fair wants my Disney money, they better do a much better job with what is already a very cool attraction. Because Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin is 100 times the ride in quality.

PrawoJazdy said:
It is about the petting zoo. I'm not talking about anything else.

That may explain why you're in the minority with an opposing argument. I'm pretty sure you're the only one talking about just the petting zoo. I was under the impression that this discussion was much broader than that. And looking over the other comments confirms this.

I see reading is a problem for you again.

Take a second, breath and maybe wait a few minutes before hitting submit to make sure you're reading what I wrote correctly.

You don't understand what is embarrassing about it because you didn't understand the comment the first time.

Here, lets read it together.

Is all that really necessary? If you can't make your point without being snarky, perhaps it's best if you just don't participate.

Does Honda try to use Bentley strategies?

Absolutely. Positively. Yes.

Any company worth a dang does exhaustive comparisons to their competitors. It's called benchmarking, and it's absolutely a vital method if you want to build a better widget (or service) than the other guys.

DJ, that's actually the point. Everyone else is talking about the Petting Zoo symbolically.