Cable shavings hit 4 riders

And you are entitled to your opinions (thats what makes America great!). If you think the way CP handled the ride has changed your opinion of the management staff and PR departments then maybe next year you should get a season pass to Six Flags and see how happy you are there! Noone is saying that this isnt CP's fault. Its a minor fault. Its not like the lift hill on MF snapped and people came crashing to the ground. CP will fix this...I hope you do not think that theyre just going to throw in a new cable and have that be the end of it! I am sure they are going to come up with a way to make sure that if by chance any more pieces of metal do decide to fall off the cable that it will not harm the riders in any way. You being a season pass holder and stock holder should know that!! Its obvious...there business is to entertain their guests, not to harm them. If TTD opened tomorrow I would trust CP enough to know that I am not putting myself into any danger by riding the ride. Wouldnt you feel the same way?? *** Edited 7/15/2004 1:45:33 AM UTC by GeorgeTTD***

No I didn't actually see it happen. We got off dragster and treked down to WT and then came back to magnum and thats when we noticed it was down. When I saw the mechanic I initially thought it was something with the return cable because all the pieces the guy was tossing out were behind where the sled would stop at. Thats main reason why I thought the story was bs. Obviously I was wrong on both things. And yea we kinda got an eerie feeling from hearing the news because we were halfway close to the time AND in we waited for front. It was wierd too because there were no indications anything was wrong. I would have thought you'd hear wierd noises or something if the cable was about to snap.

Monday was a bad day for cedar point. MF was down for couple hours that day and then later that night and then the ttd incident. *** Edited 7/15/2004 1:58:36 AM UTC by Will_1205***

George, while I understand your post, the first 2 times the cable broke, CP slapped the same cable back on the ride. They were lucky no one was hurt before. It was only minor because the injuries were minor. If someone was actually hit by the snapped cable, would that make the incident more of an issue. Again, they were lucky this time.

Actually. I have a season pass for Six Flags too (I really need to get a life) and I have come to expect a certain level of service from SF. Cedar point was always able to easily exceed SF, but if you look at the current state of affairs, the gap is closing (and not by improvements on SF's part).

As for their business, it is to make money for the stockholders (me). If the corporation decided to change the point into a parking lot and could justify it to the stockholders by showing a large enough profit, they would.

As for riding TTD, I must admit I would ride it tomorrow if it were open. But If I were sprayed with metal shards, believe me, I would expect CP to take full responsibility for not correcting the problem.

I would also expect them to take full responsibility. But looking at CP's record it appears to me that they do everything they can to make sure they do not make the same mistake twice. I think everyone would agree with your statement that if we were sprayed with metal shards we would hold them accountable, who wouldnt! But CP is saying that they are not going to let this happen again so there is no reason to say "what if". "what if" in CP mind is out of the question.
We cant always worry about what the future might bring. There are a million things that could go wrong while on any ride. And by going on the ride you do take that risk. I am not saying that this accident is justified in any way. I am just simply saying, Ive said it before and I will say it again, a lot of people are crying over spilt milk (thank you to whomever said that in the first place, I couldnt agree with you more)!!!
I live 10min from SFNE, and trust me, they did absolutely nothing about the man who died! The only thing they did was place the blame on the rider. They did not place ANY blame on themselves. I feel confident saying that I feel that CP is turning the finger around and pointing to themselves and not the riders. Everyone knows it is not the riders fault!
Come on...this is CP were talking about!

This is hardly the first time someone has been injured at Cedar Point. It's not even close to being the worst, either. Anyone remember Snake River Falls when it opened? Or the man who severely injured his hand when he stuck it outside of a Mean Streak vehicle while it was pulling into the station? What about recent incidents with White Water Landing boats running into each other and the Corkscrew chain issue - which both caused very minor injuries? Some were design issues, some were rider error ... but were you outraged at those five incidents, monster?

If I recall correctly, the injuries on Snake River Falls were worse than what happened on Dragster. Some riders were hurt when the boat hit the water. The ride was new, adjustments were made, it re-opened and life went on.

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TTD should be shut down until the appropriate cables have been selected, tested and validated ... the way CP has handeled this ride has changed my opinion

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Uh, isn't that what they're doing? To quote Lord Gonchar from CoasterBuzz (who put it so well in a thread over there): "CP closed the ride, the second it became known that there was a safety threat. No one was hurt beyond band-aid repair. Changes will be made and we'll all be safely enjoying TTD again in due time."

Just out of curiosity what happened on Snake River Falls? *** Edited 7/15/2004 3:44:24 AM UTC by cp fan***

I don't want to get off topic, but I also want to know about the man on Mean Streak. Did his hand get caught or something? Back on topic, I think CP will do everything in their power to get the Dragster up as fast and safe as they possibly can.

-Eagle-

I think it's time to break out the DUCK TAPE!!! :)

Hey guys, I went to cp today (7/14) and i took pictures of TTD, the Launch going into the building is all burnt, it looks like there was an explosion, and peices of shrapnel are imbedded in the lower support.

IM me on MrFat699 on aol instant messanger... too see the pics, or you can just click the link in my profile... they'll be there.

It's a sight to be seen... The one cable is hanging down too, as previously mentioned.

Here's the link to save the trouble. http://www.picturetrail.com/mrfat699 Click on the TTD category. *** Edited 7/15/2004 5:31:43 AM UTC by MrFat699***

thanx for the pics, looks messed

New Cables were Most Defenatly NOT put on. Just seeing the track yesterday was eerie, no one even stopped to look at it, but yet it looked like there was an explosion on the track. Everything looks charred, and the only visible thing of maintenince to see was a Ladder which came up to the launch (i'm guessing) cable which was still running into the building.

I looks like they need: New Paint, a New Cable, and possibly new track if the track had peices of steel imbedded into it like the support does. *** Edited 7/15/2004 5:54:21 AM UTC by MrFat699***

They seemed to be busy working on it today when I was there. The launch sled was no where to be seen (while on Power Tower) and one of the main launch cables had obviously been separated from the hydraulic room (as seen in MrFat's pictures). Most of the work seemed to be centered around the end of the launch track, although there was some action on the staging track as well. They're also using this downtime to replace some kicker wheels. For what it's worth, the crew was all sent to other rides today, but they're on call starting tomorrow, which kind of sounds like it might not take too long to get it back up and running.

PS: MrFat- That is most definately not "damage" related to the incident. That section of track has been that way for a long time. I believe it was said on here before that all the black stuff is nylon that gets worn away by the launch cable. *** Edited 7/15/2004 6:03:39 AM UTC by Ralph Wiggum***

I was at the park on the 13th and was disappointed to see TTD down for the day. I didn't go at all last year and Tuesday was my only time going this year (might for HalloWeekends, haven't decided yet). I didn't know the full extent of why TTD was down until I got home Wednesday afternoon.

It was unfortunate what happened, but we used the time that we would've spent in line for TTD on other rides.

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the Launch going into the building is all burnt, it looks like there was an explosion

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We was there July 11th and noticed the burnt look before the lift, it like some kind of oil or grease type substance. I'm not sure what is there that would explode. To much rollercoaster tycoon maybe.

Snake River Falls: When the ride opened in 1993, a few riders received facial injuries (I think bloody noses and such - maybe RideMan or Pete can fill in the gaps there). The boat would hit the water, and some riders would instinctively duck down, hitting their faces in the process. The ride temporarily closed whil extra padding was added and some work was done on the flume at the bottom of the drop. Here is a rec.roller-coaster thread from 1993 that talks a little bit about what happened.

Mean Streak: The incident happened in 1992, I believe. Rather than retype, here is a pretty good explanation from another rec.roller-coaster thread.

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Big Dick Kinzel

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:Coughnotgoonagotherecough:

If he does know, then he must have ESP :)

Yes, Sunday right near the lift hill looked very bad...it was all black, you couldn't see the red and white. It wasn't like that the prior week. They need to invest in a power washer to clean that up, then they need to use it to clean the seagull doo up! ;)

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eightdotthree said:
I agree this is a very serious issue, once you would have thought someone would have thought of before.

It seems like the cable could be housed in a little protective thing in order to keep it from fraying and hurting people again.

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The housing would have to be open at the top to allow the car to run back and fourth, so it still wouldn't protect the train.

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magnumrocks said:

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P.S. I hope the injured will not blame CP for there Injuries and delay a new coaster in the near future from being built. In other words I hope they recover 100% and are not greedy.

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It really isn't a fact of being greedy. If you went to a park to enjoy a day of fun and excitement would you want metal shards in your body? I mean it would be a little stupid to sue the park but maybe at least they could demand I don't know, season passes, merchandise, so and and so forth. I definately don't think TTD is going to be dismantled anytimes soon so don't worry.*** Edited 7/13/2004 4:39:38 PM UTC by magnumrocks*** *** Edited 7/13/2004 4:39:56 PM UTC by magnumrocks***

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It would be a little stupid to sue the park?

As you said, you went for a day of fun and got metal shards in your body, and as someone else pointed out, probebly scared for life when it comes to coasters.

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Walt said:
Edit - Needlessly long quote removed. Don't quote the whole message, please!

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In a theme park, if someone falls down, and claims that it was your pavment that caused them to do so, you give them front of the line passes. And your ready to give them a free ticket or somthing like that to keep them happy.

If one of your rides malfunctions, and causes injury to your guests, you have to be concered about lawsuits, and press as well as guest happines. you give away a lot more then that, and you send them all to the hospital, if only so a doctor can give then an ok should it go to a lawsuit.

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The are talking about the state of Ohio not conducting an investigation. You can bet that CP is very interested in solving the cable problems and are analyzing the system.

Why is everyone so uptight about this? When they fix it, the ride will run, probably sooner rather than later. CP wants it to run as much as you do, but they won't go into details of what they are doing. The public doesn't need to know, and most people wouldn't understand anyway.