BIGGEST CEDAR POINT MISTAKES
the ending to mf is the best ending i know of,no 100 or so foot slow running after final brake run
just my opinion,but its nice not having a jerky stop to take all tha speed off to go another 100 feet slowly
just my opinion,but its nice not having a jerky stop to take all tha speed off to go another 100 feet slowly
Blue Streak lap bars, center pad, and head rests. I can't say the head rests bother me that much. They changed the whole thrill of the ride. It still give great air time, but it's not the same......
I do miss the Frontier Lift. I understand the reasons, but I still miss it.
Other than Fascination I can't really say I've gone to the park and said 'Geez,I miss that.'
My kids miss the signs in front of the rides. They got a kick out of running up and measuring themselves. They would say 'Just one more inch!'.
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Get with it or die in the process.....
I do miss the Frontier Lift. I understand the reasons, but I still miss it.
Other than Fascination I can't really say I've gone to the park and said 'Geez,I miss that.'
My kids miss the signs in front of the rides. They got a kick out of running up and measuring themselves. They would say 'Just one more inch!'.
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Get with it or die in the process.....
Call me sentimental, but I think one of the few "mistakes" that CP made was taking out the aquarium and replacing it with ARCADE GAMES. That is one of those obvious, profit over sentiment type moves.
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I think that was more based on the loss of Oceana. Without Oceana, there was no staff to support the aquarium. But I miss it too ... I miss a lot of things. Some of my best memories are from the 80's. Like re-rides on the Mill Race and Octoberfest ... and school trips to Oceana during the off-season. But we move forward and create new memories.
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*** This post was edited by Gemini on 6/15/2001. ***
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Replacing "The Pirate Ride", their only Dark Ride (not counting Disaster Transport cause its a coaster) with a crummy arcade.
"Pirate" wasn't the only dark ride.. you seem to have forgotten 'Earthquake'
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MF 2000 - 269 laps
MF 2001 - 73 laps as of (6/9/01)
June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
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MF 2000 - 269 laps
MF 2001 - 73 laps as of (6/9/01)
June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
I definitely agree with the ride signs...I mean even my 20-year-old brother thought it was stupid to take them out.
I'd have to say taking out Fascination. We took my friend (for the first time ever) there last Labor Day and between him, myself, and my dad, we poured $20 into that game! I liked it a lot. It was a great place to unwind after a day of riding. I still have some unused redemption cupons. *sniffle*
All of the hotel and resort building in the past decade. One bad hit in the U.S. economy and Cedar Point will realize this too.
Well Vince too bad the profit margin on the resorts tends to be a little better than most rides. They are in this to make money, or make their stock holders money..
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MF 2000 - 269 laps
MF 2001 - 73 laps as of (6/9/01)
June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
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MF 2000 - 269 laps
MF 2001 - 73 laps as of (6/9/01)
June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
Vince, you need to go to business school. The resorts (at CP and Knott's) are doing fabulous. Shoot, why do you think that the Great Bear Lodge people chose Sandusky as their first location away from the Dells?
Those hotels are the real potential for growth in the company. How much impact do you think a new ride has on the bottom line? Let's just assume the park does 3 million visitors a year. Many of those are on Annual Passes but for argument's sake, lets assume 3 million times $30 admission (for easy math). That is $90,000,000. Say a new coaster contibutes %5 growth. That is an extra 150,000 people x $30 = $4,500,000. 4.5 million dollars.
Now, Sandcaste Suites has 187 rooms and let's just say the going rate averages $150 per night (which is low). That is $28,050 per night. Multiply that by 100 nights. That is $2,805,000 per season. BUT...those people also need park tickets so 4 people per night x 187 rooms x 100 nights = 74,800 people x $30 = $2,244,000.
Now we have $2,805,000 in room revenue plus $2,244,000 in park tickets = $5,049,000 in revenue vs. $4,500,000 with the new ride.
Now, here is the kicker...the park will not sustain a 5% growth in admission tickets every year, no matter what coasters they put up. If you have seen industry figures they are roughly 3.5 million visitors annually. But, Sandcastle will have the same occupancy rates next year, and the year after, and so on...get the picture?
Granted, this does not take into account in park spending but let's assume that would be a wash between park guests and resort guests. The resort guests are also going to buy tickets to Soak City much more often than a park guest. They will also likely eat breakfast, lunch and dinner all days they are there.
End of math lesson. If CP made a mistake with resorts than I guess the Disney people are a bunch of idiots too.
Those hotels are the real potential for growth in the company. How much impact do you think a new ride has on the bottom line? Let's just assume the park does 3 million visitors a year. Many of those are on Annual Passes but for argument's sake, lets assume 3 million times $30 admission (for easy math). That is $90,000,000. Say a new coaster contibutes %5 growth. That is an extra 150,000 people x $30 = $4,500,000. 4.5 million dollars.
Now, Sandcaste Suites has 187 rooms and let's just say the going rate averages $150 per night (which is low). That is $28,050 per night. Multiply that by 100 nights. That is $2,805,000 per season. BUT...those people also need park tickets so 4 people per night x 187 rooms x 100 nights = 74,800 people x $30 = $2,244,000.
Now we have $2,805,000 in room revenue plus $2,244,000 in park tickets = $5,049,000 in revenue vs. $4,500,000 with the new ride.
Now, here is the kicker...the park will not sustain a 5% growth in admission tickets every year, no matter what coasters they put up. If you have seen industry figures they are roughly 3.5 million visitors annually. But, Sandcastle will have the same occupancy rates next year, and the year after, and so on...get the picture?
Granted, this does not take into account in park spending but let's assume that would be a wash between park guests and resort guests. The resort guests are also going to buy tickets to Soak City much more often than a park guest. They will also likely eat breakfast, lunch and dinner all days they are there.
End of math lesson. If CP made a mistake with resorts than I guess the Disney people are a bunch of idiots too.
I HATE threads like this! It is always "Who thinks MS should be demolished" or "They messed up Blue Steak". I havn't even been to the park yet, and I am already starting to think less of it, because of threads like this.
P.S.
I have a doctors appointment today to get a shovel removed out of my head.
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Feel the Force!
P.S.
I have a doctors appointment today to get a shovel removed out of my head.
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Feel the Force!
To quote Mr. Kinzel in the 2000 annual report..
"At Cedar Point, we continue to develop the park into a major Midwest
vacation destination. This past season more than a third of Cedar Point’s
visitors, the highest ever, spent the night as part of their visit to our park."
It's money people.. money in the bank....
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MF 2000 - 269 laps
MF 2001 - 73 laps as of (6/9/01)
June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
"At Cedar Point, we continue to develop the park into a major Midwest
vacation destination. This past season more than a third of Cedar Point’s
visitors, the highest ever, spent the night as part of their visit to our park."
It's money people.. money in the bank....
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MF 2000 - 269 laps
MF 2001 - 73 laps as of (6/9/01)
June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
IN MY OPINION, CP BIGGEST MISTAKE WAS THE DESIGN OF THE MF AND THE MF LOADING DOCK. IF YOUR GONNA BUILD A SO CALLED GIGA COASTER, WHY NOT ADD LOOPS. THE MAIN REASON YOU CANNOT SELECT YOUR OWN SEAT ON MF IS THE LOADING DOCK IS TO SMALL. NOW I'M NOT A ROCKET SCIENTIST, BUT IF YOU BUILD THE WORLDS LARGEST COASTER, WOULDNT YOU BUILD A LARGE LOADING DOCK. THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM FOR A LARGER LOADING DOCK, SO ROOM IS NOT AN ISSUE. THATS MY OPINION OF BIGGEST MISTAKES.
MF IS A GREAT RIDE THOUGH.
WOO HOO
MF IS A GREAT RIDE THOUGH.
WOO HOO
Closed topic.