Xcentricities Boys Only Club

Gay from a different race? No. It's a simple comparison to another form of discrimination. If you can't make that connection on your own... I don't know what to tell you.

I don't appreciate your comments such as "you really don't have a clue what we face and have to deal with on a daily basis." This may be the case for you, but don't tack on the term 'we', as if you are speaking for the entire population of other sexualities. That's a very pompous thing to do, and you're making it sound like we need this pity, this understanding, and this "alone time" which your "club," in a saving grace, will offer.

The adversity you feel you're recieving from the world is partly your own doing. There are a million other things about you, that make you who you are, that are more important than what you do behind closed doors.

But, by all means... surround yourself with others whose only goal in life is to BE gay, through and through... as if it is the only thing driving their existance. Have a blast, but don't let your "club" speak for me.

You call it a club, I call it a cult.

< / rant >

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2003 - Wicked Twister Crew
2004 - Wicked Twister Crew

Oh, yes I do understand what you are opposing, but that doesn't give me the right not to propose it, nor does it give me the right to silence your opposition. That is the American way. Any added commentary is to present a possible answer to the general whole. As evident in both your posts, you are opposing the issue, but looking at it each from specific viewpoints. My commentary pulls in other viewpoints for you to consider as well. And I could write volumes of additional info to add to the fray. However, I will not change your minds, nor do I wish to try.

Peace out to everyone.

J

Gravity,

Your point is well taken. I'll make sure I exclude you from future posts. I also hope you find peace and happiness in life, and hopefully don't ever belong to any "cults" that you are not happy with.

J

It's descrimination no matter how you coat it, and if you were to post a flyer on CP property regaurding this, I'd be willing to bet you get fired.

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82

That might be the case Red Garter Rob, but if the park is such a diverse place, how come we have such groups at University and they are welcomed.

Because the University is not a private company. They are institutions that recieve public money and thus have to show a little more latitude.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82

If your university is a state-sponsored one, it is bound by the restrictions on government imposed by the bill of rights, including the freedom of association.

Private employers are not bound by the US constitution. There may be other anti-discrimination laws that apply, but you'd have to check what Ohio requires, specifically. For example, (and as I'm sure you know), Michigan's civil rights legislation does not currently offer protection from discrimination based on sexual orientation, though it does for height and weight.

Edit: Also, not all colleges and universities are bound by such restrictions. There are several examples of schools (primarily with religious foundations) that do not accept federal funds to avoid such requirements.

*** This post was edited by Brian Noble 3/21/2004 3:51:11 PM ***

That's my point exactly Brian.. He's comparing 2 different animals.

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82

While I appreciate the thought of meeting up with other gay co-workers this summer, I strongly disagree with the manner approached. The previous posts have all made some great points and I agree with them. You can not make a "gay-only" club and expect those excluded to not be offended. That's like making a KKK club and not expecting a huge conflict with the non-caucasian groups in America.

Last time I checked, my colleges gay group (Spectrum) was titled such for the gay, lesbian, transgendered, bisexual, family, and friends of such. So why are you in support of a group that will eliminate a great portion of those people?!? I also found it interesting how your post title was "Xcentricities Boys Only Club". This sounds like a game I would have played as a 5 year old in my fort.

I agree that in life there are obstacles that everyone must overcome, but you need to do so on your own time. Don't throw a pity-party because you feel discriminated against because everyone has had to deal with stuff before. And you move on. If I don't get something I felt I deserved, I work 10x harder for it next time. Real interesting. But that's all I had to say!

~Gay and Proud, but not whining or discriminating!!!

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2004 - ATL Mantis
2003 - Mantis
2002 - Mantis
2001 - S.C. Foods Supervisor

Exactly. GLBT groups at colleges and universities are for anyone who considers themselves gay/bi/trans, as well as their friends and supporters, and anyone else concerned. Certainly not exclusive of others.

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"Hmm. . .we don't have anything like that. . .but I can give you this comment card."

Well you know what they say in life.... You can't please everyone, nor will everyone be pleased. It is as simple as this... If you don't want to belong, then DON'T. Move on, have a life, and keep your whims and pains to yourself. Call that crass, but thats the way it is. There are a lot of things in life you will be excluded from, and this may be one more.

Ps the idea behind the group was not to be all inclusive, it was never stated to be that. WHY people think they can jump on the bandwagon and make it something that it wasn't intended to be is beyond me. If you don't like it, don't participate.

JaysonHolloway said:
"arrange fun outings/parties for "our" kind of people."
Sounds pretty inclusive to me...

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2003 - Giant Wheel Triangle
2004 - Giant Wheel TL

I see you failed to read the title Rachel.

I did happen to read the title, thank you very much.

However, in your last post you said that you hadn't intended for the group to be all inclusive. From reading the entire thread, it was pretty clear to me that one of the purposes of the group was an "escape" from straight people. Maybe it's just me, but that sounds clearly inclusive...

I understand the drive behind what you're trying to put together, but it's going to raise a lot of voices - as it already has. As it's been said before no one would EVER allow a 'straight' only club (nor would I want one or participate)... how is this any different?

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2003 - Giant Wheel Triangle
2004 - Giant Wheel TL

Again you're trying to make it something its not. It was a "GAY/BI MENS ONLY" group if you haven't read that from the title, or figured that out yet. LESBIANS were not included, NOR Women. If you want to start a LESBIAN/BI womens group, be my guest. The last thing 12 gay guys in a swimming pool want to see is a set of Breasts bobbing in the water. And that also includes those from a proverbial "F" hag.

poorly executed j. I understand your intention... but i think u went about it the wrong way.

6/7 years ago when i was sick of having issues with being gay and really wanting to come out is started going to BAGLY meetings (boston alliance gay and lesbian youth.) It was exactly what i needed. I was welcomed for who i was, the ppl were cool, and they helped me deal with myself then eventually i came out to my parents, friends, etc.

Gay 'clubs' are great for this purpose.

After I came out and was semi-comfortable there really was no need to go back. If you didnt go for support, you were going to find a piece of ass.

Cedarpoint has such a large out of the closet gay community that i don't think one of these groups is necessary.

If what youre looking for is your own niche of gay friends... you'll have it without having to start a club or group.

Besides, you can't get any more inclusive than "boys only." There are some f'in cool lesbians out there.

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:james
magnum crew 2002
johnny rockets 2003, 2004

*sigh*

So you ARE descriminating by your own admission.

Thread closing in 3....2....

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82

Jayson- Sorry if my boobs offend you, I'll make sure to cover myself if I see you at soak city.
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2003 Iron Dragon
2004 Mantis

The last thing 12 gay guys in a swimming pool want to see is a set of Breasts bobbing in the water. And that also includes those from a proverbial "F" hag.

whoa. I guess i misunderstood everything.

You want to create an organized meat market.

You'll get laid... don't allienate yourself in the process.

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:james
magnum crew 2002
johnny rockets 2003, 2004