WildCat

Considering the "Mantis broken leg" happened in 1996, I'm surprised there aren't more defamation type claims these days. It's so easy to write something on a forum somewhere that isn't true, not that that is necessarily the case here.

Come to think of it, didn't Kings Island have problems with people "claiming" they were injured on Son of Beast when they weren't on the train at the time of the 2006 incident at all?

ridingon1771 said:
I think its just crazy how that happened. I would never expect a "rollback" as they say in the news to happen on the Wildcat. Did it seriously happen on last Sunday? (the 18th) Because I was there and heard NOTHING about it.

The article said it was on Friday.

I will say that the situation with the anti-rollbacks could have been prevented, had someone actually listened when told about them...last season, multiple times, as I understand it. Once again, don't expect the ride to be open for awhile. Possibly not until late June, or later. The crew is certainly getting their fair share of cross-training though, that's for sure.

loneranger7281 said:
Is it even possible to get to 40 on wildcat? The lift hill is only 50 feet.

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No it isn't possible. The maximum possible speed it can go is about 37(unless I did my physics wrong), and thats assuming there isn't any friction and the train made it to the very top of the hill before falling backwards.

I find it so hard to believe that the chain and the anti rollback stuff would fail at the same time.

As has been said before, the chain wasn't the problem here, it was the anti-rollbacks on both the train and the track, evidently. I am personally of the opinion that the antis on the cars are at fault more than the tracks anti-rollbacks.

but wouldn't the chain have to fail before the anti rollbacks would ever be needed?

BlueStreak64 said:
I will say that the situation with the anti-rollbacks could have been prevented, had someone actually listened when told about them...last season, multiple times, as I understand it.

Sounds a little like the stories surrounding the Magnum incident. Trains were overshooting the safeties all season up until that point, but requests to maintenance to look into it were supposedly dismissed. They blamed that incident on the rain. Wonder what caused this one? The wind? The sun?

I wonder what assinine operational procedures will come as a result of this one?

The car with people exiting is not permitted to move to the load until the one on the lift hill has cleared. ;)

That would make for some interesting lines stretching into the midway, huh?

Wow, I leave work, shoot a 48 and come back to 3 additional pages, an illiterate 12 year old and an inability to search Dave's messages. I'll have to try again later.

THAT (lladnaR's comment above) is exactly why I took issue with the conclusions of the Bell's incident. That's the fatal incident on a Schwarzkopf Wildcat (earlier model than the one at Cedar Point) in which the anti-rollback material shattered. The official report concluded that the incident was caused by the failure of the Nylatron insert used in the anti-rollback pawl. My comment at the time was that the anti-rollback is a safety device, and that while the incident would have been prevented or at least mitigated if the Nylatron insert had not failed, the failure of the insert is NOT what caused the car to disengage from the lift and begin rolling backward down the hill, resulting in the failure of the anti-rollback. In other words, the anti-rollback was the SECOND failure in that incident.

In this case, we already have some evidence that there might be a problem with the chain dogs on Wildcat, just because of the ride's misbehavior on Opening Day. Notice also that the ride has six cars, and five of them are missing. If there was an incident involving two cars, why remove the other three? My conclusion is that they're looking for an assembly problem on the bottom of the car that led to the failure that kept popping the chain off the top idler on opening day, and on Friday led to the incident under discussion.

Of course, the problem with that theory is that there is still one car sitting on the ride...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

A 48??!!?!?

I know it's still early and all but sheesh. :)

Well, the previous 3 weeks my scores were 64, 56, and 59. And the 64 came on this same 9 holes, I'll say that 48 is a pretty nice score. Dropped my HC to a 15. I'll just have to keep it up now.

I know this is my first post, but I have been a LONG time lurker on this site and enjoy keeping up to date with CP. I have to make an observation that bothers me. Jeff has been called a bully on here many times for his actions. This is just a perfect example. He bans sudsy for violating COPPA because he is 12. At the same time...he knows factually that MANY MANY posters are underage....but he lets it slide. Ban all of them or none of them. Jeff....I assume you make money from advertisers on this site. I also assume that the more people who visit and post....the better off you are. I would also assume that a savy person like you...would be able to sit back....and watch what people write, and hope that there is a good debate. You DON'T have to get involved with EVERY conversation. Let the people speak.

The limit on COPPA is 13. I can't think of any of these posters who are under 13. Quite a few fall into the 13-17 range, but there are even more (dare I say most) in the 18+ range.

Its one thing for posters to be assumed as younger than 13, but quite another to have one admit it.

Not to mention that he acted and wrote as if he were 7.

Jugga...I enjoy your posts. You seem like a good person. I know that in my household alone there are 2 that read and post once in a while that are under 13. But that is not what the point is. The point is that the site administer....Jeff....is a bully and likes to push people around. One thing that I have taught my kids is one thing he still has not learned at his age. One of my kids teachers asked my daughter why she rarely talks in class. She told the teacher "I have never learned anything by talking." Jeff just likes to talk and read his writings. Learn to listen. I hope that it turns out that Sudsy WAS on the train. I have no reason not to believe him until proven otherwise. Let the people discuss it and sit back and watch. That is all I am saying.

Well you can join the 12-year-old. You don't know anything about what I know. I don't push anyone around, I just call out BS when I see it. You don't know me, so move along.

Well, for one, sudsy wasn't following the posted forum guidlines whether he was 12 or not. There is something to be said for intelligent communication, and there was nothing intelligent about how he was trying to get across his point.

Two, Jeff can actually get in trouble for violating COPPA by knowingly allowing him here. Rather than going through some lengthy procedure to verify that a parent is authorizing their child to join the site, he prefers to just make the cut-off 13.

Three, while Jeff is sometimes an ass (we all are at some point), he pays the bills for his little corner of the web.

*EDIT - put in spaces between paragraphs *

^Ditto. There were numerous reasons to ban him. If he was involved in the accident, I wish him a speedy recovery, but creating an account here just to stir up trouble with useless and unintelligable banter is a waste of his time, as well as ours.

What's really hilarious about this, is that most of you kept feeding the troll.

Furthermore, for whatever the reason behind this accident was, it doesn't matter. Accidents can occur at any time, at any place. Why this thing has been blown FAR out of proportion is beyond me. The park has maintained an excellent maintenance record, but it can't be assumed that it will always be perfect.

But I guess anything can create sensationalism these days.