What do you want from your ATL/TL/Sups?

Well, remember that everyone has a different leadership style; every person has the potential to be a great leader, but to do this they first need to learn how to most effectively use the abilities that they have naturally. What may have worked fabulously for one person to build those abilities won't always work just as well for someone else, just as that book might not have worked for some people but provided great advice for others.

Experience has taught me that the best way to learn to do something in life is to first learn as much about it as you possibly can, and then take what you've learned and use those parts that work the best with your own personality, abilities, and motivations. If I have a chance, it would be interesting for me to read that book; if the advice it gives seems applicable, then I'll use it for myself, if not, then I'll pass it along to someone who can use it better.

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~Lee~

Group Sales ATL '01
Group Sales TL '02
Park Admissions Supervisor '03
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"The greatest leaders don't take credit for their actions; they don't have to."

Lee, do not waste your time or eyesight on that book, it is a shallow and pendantic attempt to sell what passes for a management handbook. Instead get something by Peter Drucker and read some of his management theories. Pick up a few Harvard Business Reviews and soak it up. The afore mentioned sources are good, substantial, applicable and relevant. The "One Minute Manager" reads like the comic book it is. One summer as a TL at CP will give you more insight to managing subordinates than that worthless piece of trash. Could you possibly accomplish a training session in a minute? baahhhh
I agree with you completely, Redbrigade; good, practical on-the-job experience will help the most since it's most applicable to one's job.

I don't see anything wrong with checking out different theories, though, and I will definitely take a look at your suggestions as well (I'm planning a Spring Break trip to Rome -- "abbreviated" study abroad with my school -- and I need some decent reading material for that 14-hour plane ride...)
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~Lee~

Group Sales ATL '01
Group Sales TL '02
Park Admissions Supervisor '03
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"The greatest leaders don't take credit for their actions; they don't have to."

Ouch. It's a good, quick, insightful read as far as I'm concerned. I've been doing management for about 4 years now.

I wouldn't consider it a management book, more like a collection of good tips that I follow (the concept of looking for things to praise and making sure your kids know what EXACTLY their jobs are).

I still say give it a read. But no book is going to teach you how to be a good sup/manager- that's learned on the job.

The most important thing that I learned from "being in charge" is that I never want to do it again! I like selling financial products and not having to worry about an admin staff ect...

The best management tips are learned from experienced managers and personal experience on the job of managment. There are several techniques to being a good manager; however, they must match your personality and style to be successfully enacted. For the most part CP's managment/supervision do a good job overall, and they get good experience for all future managment positions they might find themselves in.
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Cedar Creek Trading Co. 1999
MF 2002
Sky Ride...don't anybody sneeze...2003
I once had this manger that i would (as well as just about everyone else who worked for him) run through a wall for. I often wondered why.

Well, he always listened when someone had something to say. Even if he rejected you soundly in the next sentance. If you start responding to what someone else is saying before they finish you really didn't hear them.

He allowed for some experimentation. Even he knew that an idea will not be ideal, he would let people run with it if it wasn't threatening to the operation.

He asked every one of his managers for their opinions, in private, on his time. He would seek out people just to chat from time to time. Making time for someone in your busy managing day empowers employees to look beyond their nose, makes one feel needed.

He knew how to blow off steam. It can be good in certain circumstances to show that even you (the almightly leader) gets fed up and stressed. Of course it must be discreet, and professional.

He backed up his people. No ifs, ands or buts. If someone came into our dept and started to rip into one of his people he just wouldn't stand for it. If anyone attempted to mistreat or verbally assult someone or their integrity he would lay his own rep on the line. If it was found that the person was in the wrong he would always take the proper actions. But it was always, always professional.

I'd still JUMP at the chance to work with this man again. I am in many ways the type of manager i am because of working for him. Encouraged free thought, growth, respect, and a great atmosphere to work in. I have found it hard to find since.

my blue tag last yr was the same way Gener...he ALWAYS got in someones crap if they came up to our floor and started yellin at one of us, and if one of us got in trouble, we all did...and if he got in trouble, we all did...it wasnt a one person thing...we all took credit for a job done well, and we all took the consequences for a poor job...it is him who has talked me into coming back, although i wont be working under him, but i hope to work under someone who will be the same way... :)

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Breakers Express '02 & '03

I think the issue everyone has been dancing around is that a "happy worker" is a productive worker! When you whittle away the crap that some PHDs' write, that issue is the gilded edge of any management theory; and that is a consequence of "accountability and responsibility"!

Vitaminized on Gemini said:
Oh boy, oh boy!

I actually have a philosophy on this!

There is nothing more stifling in a work atmosphere than a garrulous ass who makes everything around and under him/her a living hell. Because of this and the kabal of crappy managers I had in all my high school jobs, I thought the best way for me to function as ATL of Gemini was being not only a good example by staying in rotation and taking normal length breaks, but also by being the crew mediator so all disputes and opinions could be aired out in timely fashion. (This meant not taking sides without first hearing both sides.) The notion of voicing and embracing all disparate gripes, *****es, disputes, etc. and trying to treat everyone with the same respect they treated me made working with my crew, to be unnecessarily redundant, a treat.

Yeah, my crew fought a lot, but we formed tight bonds because everyone knew they had a job to do and everyone knew they could depend on MOST everyone else to complete their tasks at the same time. After awhile, we all got over ourselves and developed a sense of humor about our pettiness, not unlike a sitcom family. As long as you are "there" for your crew to answer any questions and help out with any problems, and, likewise, if your crew is "there" for you, then the summer goes swimmingly.

I must also throw in some advice--don't be afraid to level with your crewmates. If I told someone that I needed them to do something even thought I knew they didn't want to do it, I would at least tell them why I HAD to make them do it. It just seemed like the respectful thing to do. For example: "You have to go to Camp Snoopy because I am not allowed to play favorites and, this way, it will be at least a few weeks before you have to go again. They make me staff other rides--you know this-- and it is just ONE DAY." I had to work just as hard as anyone else. I wasn't any better because of my exalted position; I still had a job to do and oftentimes I would suck at it, but the operation of the Gemini when me and Amy were in charge spoke for itself.

I actually think my crew helped me out more than I helped them. They made me look good and consoled me amid my personal problems. I just hoped I did the same.

I miss everyone. I won't be coming back because I am still on the forbidden list.

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Shepoopie!
*** This post was edited by Vitaminized on Gemini 2/12/2003 5:07:51 PM ***


What did you do to deserve such an honor? I was an absolute maniac and my regional told me that! I could write an interesting book about that wayward summer.I brown-nosed quite abit and I am sure that saved me from oblivion many times. I will always regret not going back for a 2nd yr!


Did you really have to quote my entire post?:)

Anyways, you probably wonder what I did to deserve my "honor" of being ATL. I displayed common sense. Performing my job adequately if not spectacularly, my ability to butt-kiss the powers that be ultimately led to my promotion. When the higher-ups would question me, "what do you think of that whole fight thing going on in the crew?" I would respond, "everyone needs to get their heads out of their asses and remember it's just a roller coaster, and, in the same breath, just a job that needs to be performed correctly. People here expect the Croix De Guerre for just showing up on time, I swear..." Laughter is more than the best medicine.

Besides that, I was most qualified because I already had experience closing under my belt as third-in-charge.

And, there you have it. Right place, right time, right people to kneel behind; the cosmos were on my side.
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Shepoopie!

And, as for the "honor" of being redlisted, I walked off when I was in charge. I was struggling with a slew of personal problems, told them a week in advance it was going to happen, convinced myself to stay and then had park op rudely make me change my mind.

I have very little pride or dignity; however, I don't like people yelling at me when maintenance doesn't show up on time. It was the one thing that morning I couldn't help; furthermore, it was the only thing that morning that made us open up late. I can't believe I constructed two sentences in a row like that. A pox on my inability to write!

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Shepoopie!


Vitaminized on Gemini said:
And, as for the "honor" of being redlisted, I walked off when I was in charge. I was struggling with a slew of personal problems, told them a week in advance it was going to happen, convinced myself to stay and then had park op rudely make me change my mind.

I have very little pride or dignity; however, I don't like people yelling at me when maintenance doesn't show up on time. It was the one thing that morning I couldn't help; furthermore, it was the only thing that morning that made us open up late. I can't believe I constructed two sentences in a row like that. A pox on my inability to write!

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Shepoopie!


I am sorry to hear that. Since I have season tickets I would have looked forward to meeting you running your ride. I know that working in the CP environment can be abit stressful, perhaps you can apologize to Mr. Kinzel and ask for forgiveness/rehiring. We all mess up once in awhile and alot of the times those who are given second chances evolve into model employees/leaders.

Go ahead and HANDWRITE a sincere/well thought out apology to Mr. Kinzel. R. Kinzel did not get where he is by being close minded and perhaps he can/may help you out. What do you have to lose? Besides 1 hour and a stamp. If you have learned your lesson TELL MR. KINZEL! And tell him you REALLY WANT a chance to make it right. Go for it!

I did some things wrong the first time that I was in the securities business and the office manager gave me a second chance. Albiet 3 yrs later; its worth a shot and you will be a better person for the experience

Mean Streak 2003 Crew Rules our TL is Awesome (Love Ya Boss) and our ATL is gonna rock. I love our crew.

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Crow: Mike can I have a car like that?
Mike: You can't drive.
Crow: I can drive, I'm an excellent driver; I'm not wearing my underwear.

Camp Snoopy 2000-2002
Mean Streak 2003


Cedar_Point_Police said:
Anyone with a "blue or double blue tag" are total A$$HOLES! The color of the tag goes to their head. Park Operations has to be the worst department for this. Its stupid taking orders from someone your age. They abuse their power way too much. I thought working rides would be awesome but it SUCKED. The supervision in area 2 are the worst and it needs to be changed. "DO NOT WORK RIDES" thats all I can say! Thats why I am NOT returning to Park Operations this season. I chose a department were I can enforce park rules and not get written up for it! "And you can take that to the bank"

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Wicked Twister / Millennium Force 2002
Cedar Point Police 2003



Cedar_Point_Police said:
Anyone with a "blue or double blue tag" are total A$$HOLES! The color of the tag goes to their head. Park Operations has to be the worst department for this. Its stupid taking orders from someone your age. They abuse their power way too much. I thought working rides would be awesome but it SUCKED. The supervision in area 2 are the worst and it needs to be changed. "DO NOT WORK RIDES" thats all I can say! Thats why I am NOT returning to Park Operations this season. I chose a department were I can enforce park rules and not get written up for it! "And you can take that to the bank"

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Wicked Twister / Millennium Force 2002
Cedar Point Police 2003


The sups in Rides are not that bad The sups for all the zones are (IMO anyway) pretty cool heck the sups for Zone 4 are a trip to work with.

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Crow: Mike can I have a car like that?
Mike: You can't drive.
Crow: I can drive, I'm an excellent driver; I'm not wearing my underwear.

Camp Snoopy 2000-2002
Mean Streak 2003

Although this is frowned upon by park management, A TL should think for himself and use common sense, even if it means stretching the rules. You have to respect your employees enough to believe that they aren't always trying to dupe you. While thinking for onesself is not encouraged at the park (only the B
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Only the Big Dick himself, (kinzel) and his suspender-wearing pals can make decisions, you know,) a blue tag who trus

ts his team members not to get involved in drama is a true leader in every sense of the word.


Red Garter Rob said:
Problem with the "little hitler" title is this.

Lol, at knotts you can just call them knottszis.

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