Virus Impact on CP

I hope parks can reopen. I want parks to reopen. Right now I can't imagine a scenario where I would go to a park this summer. I just don't see myself running around an amusement park all day with a mask on. Maybe I'll change my mind the longer this drags out, but I don't know.

As a parent, I don't see a scenario where I would let me teenage child go live at the amusement park all summer until we have better information, a vaccine, or both.

I am one of the biggest optimists out there so it isn't in my nature to be too dark about these types of things. That said, the unknowns far outweigh the knowns right now.

I have a reservation for the last week of June. The closer we get to the date the more I wonder if I should call and have it moved to July or August instead.

MaverickLaunch said:

Science, data, and experts... everything that Jeff, DJ, VW, and others say they listen to but this supports what I’ve been saying for a couple weeks now. Shelter in place has negative unintended consequences.

https://youtu.be/wyjtDH__Px4

The economic damage may have more of an impact than the virus itself. I will look for a valid source with respect to this view.

Vince982 said:

The constant arguing against guys who are providing evidence is tiring.....Your opinion that this isn't serious and everyone in the world has been fooled by what you think isn't a serious virus is tiring.

Evidence not rooted in absolute fact is not really evidence at all. I'm not saying that's the case every time on here, but it definitely is for some of it.

And I NEVER have not taken this virus seriously. On the contrary, I was the first among my circle of friends and acquaintances to go into full blown isolation with my family, back when people were still even going to restaurants!

I'm also not suggesting we just open everything back up. All I've been trying to say, while getting crucified for disagreeing with some posts on here, is that there is considerable economic damage being done along with dangerous repercussions to mental and physical health. That CANNOT be ignored nor disputed, and I think it is something that is not being given enough weight in the discussion about when to reopen certain things and how.

I can tell you just from my own neighborhood that there's a lot of substance abuse that's resulting from this lockdown and nearly everyone I know is suffering from some degree of depression.

To say that we have to "stop" this virus is flawed ideology, it can't be stopped, only slowed and hopefully contained. I also think it's unlikely we find an effective vaccine (this is not my conspiracy theory, this is according to published medical research).

Long story short, I don't think the way this is being handled is best balancing the health of Americans as it relates to the virus, versus ALL the other negative effects of being locked down.

I can agree with most of Maverick's most recent post. There is definitely an economic toll and a mental health toll, both of which haven't been calculated yet. However, we can take steps to mitigate both of those issues (Federal stimulus packages, mental health therapy) but we were not prepared to mitigate the virus. Professionals are learning more about it on a daily basis, to be sure. That said, the quarantine was the quickest and "easiest" way to prevent a tragedy from being a catastrophe. If we aren't careful with the reopening, we could be doing it all over again.

I agree with that. I don't know how to achieve that balance, that's a job for the experts. But two weeks ago my neighbor, who was a quiet guy but I've known for 13 years, abruptly left the family dinner table, went upstairs, and blew his brains out. Leaving behind three children to hear the gunshot.

Obviously the guy must have had some mental health issues before the virus, but I have to think that it helped push him over the edge. I think there are a lot of similar situations out there. It's really sad.

Not sure how the forum will react to this, but according to my calibrated eye, airports look busier than they were just a few weeks ago (anecdotal evidence for sure). Hopefully this is the start of good news that will continue for the industry. Is there any correlation to this with Cedar Point? Nope, one is considered essential while the other is not. But maybe some folks are gaining just a little bit of confidence to get back out and about? Will we see an uptick in cases as a result? I have zero idea, but like everyone else here, I'll settle for any good news at the moment.

If we can get things slowly moving again, without a 2nd wave pummeling us, great. Maybe there is just a slight glimmer of hope? Might be a small light, but at least it's a light. For me personally, the problem of complaints that airlines aren't socially distancing properly because flights are too full would be a good problem to have.

Mav - sorry to hear about your neighbor. No bueno :(

Wow, very sorry to hear that. I read the story of the doctor who recently committed suicide and had no known mental health issues prior. I do think there is going to be long lasting health impacts of the quarantine.

I believe we have had at least two suicides from surviving students of the Marjory Stoneman school shooting. There is the initial tragedy, and the continuing tragedy.

djDaemon said:

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Right now the park has to proceed as if the park will open in June, if it wants to be able to open in June. They cannot wait until given the go-ahead, since they have months of work to do to open.

It's quite likely that when June rolls around, "amusement parks" won't be on the list of things able to reopen. Or maybe they won't specifically be excluded, but excluded by way of a "no gatherings of XX number of people at a venue" sort of restriction.

My hopes are up because I will be back to work in 3 weeks.

As far as the park opening, only time will tell but I shall be there 😀

The park will bring people in as they can to do various cleanup jobs and prep around the park. But because the ten people or less restriction still applies, they won’t be able to get everything going just yet or bring in all of their staff. Hopefully phase 1 will get us until June and then they can ramp up. That would put us, on a realistic timeline without any spikes in cases, at a July opening, in whatever definition that may be. But for anyone hoping to attend their annual 4th of July event I’d likely say that won’t happen.

Which is unfortunate given that even where I live many local summer events are already lost, festivals and concerts, etc. Of course I find irony in the fact that my sons baseball team, whose season runs April 1 to July 31 is still holding out to start practice once phase 2 starts. At some point you gotta call it, a month of practice would put us into July .

mgou58 said:

But because the ten people or less restriction still applies, they won’t be able to get everything going just yet or bring in all of their staff.

This does not apply to Wal-Mart or other businesses, why should it apply to CP?

TRON said:

mgou58 said:

But because the ten people or less restriction still applies, they won’t be able to get everything going just yet or bring in all of their staff.

This does not apply to Wal-Mart or other businesses, why should it apply to CP?

There are no gatherings of groups of people of ten or more. So it would apply to a place where there are literally gatherings of ten or more people within small spaces. The stores I’ve been to recently I’ve never seen ten people standing together in a group. I’ll also add that many companies, including mine, have split employees up into various teams so as to not cross contaminate. It’s also a safe bet that the dorms are likely going to be limited as well because you can’t cram multiple people to a room like they used to.

And you’re comparing an essential vs. nonessential business which by default isn’t good logic to begin with. I get that you’re passionate about the park because you work there. But try relaxing a bit. I’m simply quoting information that is readily available through the state of Ohio website.

Eh, regulations will loosen in phases 2-3
Limit attendance to 50% park capacity, paint a few yellow X's, add some hand sanitizer stations, and you're good to go.

Uncle Steve said:

Eh, regulations will loosen in phases 2-3
Limit attendance to 50% park capacity, paint a few yellow X's, add some hand sanitizer stations, and you're good to go.

I know Parks in Florida are looking at these options right now. Probable that they will open in some capacity as well in the next month or two

kjettski said:

The economic damage may have more of an impact than the virus itself. I will look for a valid source with respect to this view.

The consensus among expert economists is that the opposite is true.

Jeff said:

kjettski said:

The economic damage may have more of an impact than the virus itself. I will look for a valid source with respect to this view.

The consensus among expert economists is that the opposite is true.

It's a survey.....

I have not been able to find a scholarly cost-benefit analysis. An article from Science (a respected publication) intimated that there was not enough data available.

Uncle Steve said:

Eh, regulations will loosen in phases 2-3
Limit attendance to 50% park capacity, paint a few yellow X's, add some hand sanitizer stations, and you're good to go.

What's capacity? How will they determine who is to be turned away? Daily ticket purchasers who have driven X amount of miles and are possibly staying off Point? Passholders, Gold or Platinum? Resort guests? Where is the line drawn? Gonna be a lot of people driving and spending money to be told they can't come in? Seems like a Wally World situation to me.

The thing is capacity is pretty high (if they even have one now). So let's just say that is 60,000 so if you cut it in half, a 30,000 person day is still a lot.

In terms of ticket sales they might make it advance sales only with a chance of a sellout. No more ticket sales at the gate and if someone doesn't do their research ahead of time and shows up then that's on them. Season pass holders would likely just be factored into a formula of how many might show up based on forecast numbers. Same with resort sales.

While I can't say 100%, because I cannot get a test. (No breathing problems being the reason). Thank God.

It's a nightmare. Waking up at night yelling at walls is disturbing, shaking constantly. Again an absolute nightmare. I have another 5 days maybe more, I dunno because whats the incubation period then infection. It's a roll of the dice for what you gotta suffer though.

I'm not posting this to throw stones at anyone. Just trying to do my part letting the Pointbuzz family know this is, terrible. If anyone has questions I'll try to respond in time, please make sure you have food and Tylenol.

Oh and I forgot. Please let this be Covid, when I get better I can hopefully help others.

kjettski said:
It's a survey.....

Of ivy league economists, not PointBuzz members.