Track officially uncovered at Breakers Express

Race for the Fry said:
Not between the 2 listed... B&M's is obviously alot stronger seeing as it is prett much a triangle track with that boxed spine thingy.

But it's hollow. Now I'm not saying it isnt strong or anything, it's just that if there's anything I've learned from building model bridges, it's that designs, like those used on Intamin track, supports more weight and is alot stronger.

B&M track might have an advantage over 2 rail Intamin and maybe trianglular Intamin track, but not box/4 rail track.

Well, I'm beginning to think that it is something along the lines of Expedition G-Force at Holiday Park. Those curved footers seem to be at the right angle to support a drop similar to the first drop on E.G.F.

From looking at the pictures for both Goliath at Walibi World, and Expedition GeForce, I have come to a conclusion, and also a question.

My conclusion is that both of those coasters look absolutely awesome, and I would love to ride either one someday (though I likely never will). I also think that a coaster like that would be a fabulous addition at virtually any park.... except Cedar Point. Which brings me to my question.

I conceed that the track that has shown up at the Breakers Express staging area does indeed look very similar to the track for these coasters prior to installation. However, when it all boils down to it, these are still the same classification of coaster as Millennium Force, and would not be diversifying the coaster lineup or ride experience much at all. So the question is: Would CP really install another Intamin Mega Coaster into the park when it already has MF?

A mega looper I could see, as that is certainly a dire need for CP in terms of filling a void (sit-down looper). But another non-inverting Intamin sit down coaster? As cool as those coasters look, it just doesn't make much sense. I guess we'll see in August won't we....

Interesting theory, TopThrill420120

I couldn't help but notice some similar things in this picture of EGF: http://www.rcdb.com/ig977.htm?picture=3

and this of the CP project area: http://www.pointbuzz.com/midwayvision/project2007mv1.jpg

Sure looks like some sort of turnaround? Of course, I could be totally wrong.

Race for the Fry said:
Not between the 2 listed... B&M's is obviously alot stronger seeing as it is prett much a triangle track with that boxed spine thingy.

Oh yes, quite obviously a lot stronger. :rolleyes:

Honestly, I'd trust the system with the triangular trusses.

And to everyone who's saying that Intamin hearline rolls are always 2-rails:

http://www.rcdb.com/ig474.htm?picture=3

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1607.htm?picture=7

http://www.rcdb.com/ig2498.htm?picture=24

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1076.htm?picture=5

Yes, I know 2 of them are inverted, but it doesn't matter.

-Josh

I see differences in the EGF picture above and the CP site.

There are two footers at the site per location of one on EGF and they are very close together. Of course all this could just easily be an OBT above the water, but the close proximity of the footers leads me to believe that it's not similar to the turn pictured above, at least.

Are people not listening? When we said B&M was stronger, we were only comparing it to the 2 rail intamin.

Thinking is not allowed in the "Project 2007" forum. Isn't that obvious?

Silly me. What was I thinking :)

But doesn't all intamin track only have 2 rails? In fact, the only track with more than 2 is the Arrow 4D track.

Don't get them started, John.

JuggaLotus said:
But doesn't all intamin track only have 2 rails? In fact, the only track with more than 2 is the Arrow 4D track.

I was thinking the same thing!!.....lol

Oy, I was using his wordage. Plus I don't know the "names" of all the types of track, i guess the only other way to describe what he meant by "2 rail" would be their "flat track"

This is why he used the example of the MF break run track. And why I linked the pictures of the different track. So you people would understand what we were talking about. But obviously that isn't enough.

Intamin track descriptions:

No spine (two riding rails with cross ties, no spine)

One spine (two riding rails with cross ties and a single spine, triangular shaped)

Two spine (two riding rails with cross ties and double spines, box shaped)

B&M track description:

Box spine (two riding rails with cross ties attached to a square steel box)

But technically, Intamin has used the B&M style box spine type of track as well. They may even use it again in the future, it all depends on the application. (now that I think of it, I think Intamin used it before B&M)

Sorry for my rambling.

I didn't think the B&M track had cross-ties (rail to rail). I thought all the ties were rail-to-spine. Whereas on the Intamin track, there are cross ties between rails, not just from rail to spine.

rollerdude said:
well, I am sticking to my mega looper theory. I think that the footers in the 5/23/ update will be for a turn out of the station or a first drop. Also, this first piece of track in the front in this pic just screams heartline roll: www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?a=458

Maybe it is screaming this
http://www.rcdb.com/ig1565.htm?picture=30
off topic- Who designs these incredible lighting schemes?

Thank you Jason Hammond, someone actually used their brain.

Fine, no spine then. Of course Intamin box is strongest. If some of you would just read a little you would of understood what I was talking about since the track being discussed was that of MF's brake run and B&M normal track. That was all clearly stated on that page.
*** Edited 5/26/2006 3:40:29 PM UTC by Race for the Fry***

JuggaLotus said:
I didn't think the B&M track had cross-ties (rail to rail). I thought all the ties were rail-to-spine. Whereas on the Intamin track, there are cross ties between rails, not just from rail to spine.

The cross ties do go rail to rail and also connect to the spine.

http://www.rcdb.com/ig1549.htm?picture=31

I see that as more the connector to the spine (though I do see what you're saying). Intamins track has ties that are just rail to rail, with no connection to the spine.

Race for the Fry said:
Fine, no spine then. Of course Intamin box is strongest. If some of you would just read a little you would of understood what I was talking about since the track being discussed was that of MF's brake run and B&M normal track. That was all clearly stated on that page.

Once again, there is no "of course" - are you the track's engineer? How do we know that the Intamin flat-track isn't as strong as a B&M? There have been entire rides constructed of flat track in the past that have held up just fine.

And as for the bix being the strongest, I would actually venture to say that Intamin's triangle track offers the most support. Most of us know that the strongest way to build a truss is with triangles. I know the box track is made up of them, but to me, the triangle makes the most sense, especially when its used in areas of high forces, such as here: http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mf88sw.jpg

Now, I think the box track is more important *structurally*, as well as handling forces, which is why we see it used on the towers of Wicked Twister, and entirely up and down Dragster. It's also used for obvious reasons on launch tracks.(to hold the LIMs/brakes/cables..)

-Josh