Stealing Fast Pass Plus

TwistedWicker77 said:

I would rather not get spit on, especially by some of the people that go to Kennywood. I've seen better looking people at the Trumbull County Fair. And if you've been there, it's not saying much :)

I especially hate people who just stand around in the middle of the midways at the Trumbull County Fair. Step to the side and decide, or go away.

Of course, Trumbull County Fair has wide midways, so it's not as bad. At the Canfield Fair, holy smokes, it's terrible.

Has never once Torrente anything? Never

Downloaded a mp3 ringtone off a website instead of buying it? Never

Logged into someone's wifi that wasn't protected? Nope, due to inherent security risks.

Sure what they did was wrong but is there really any less people in line? It isn't about how many people were in line. It is about Ethics, Morals, Values, and Deception.

Whether the person who bought the pass is in line or the individual that they passed it off to was in line there was still only one individual in line. The Fast Lane wristbands have anti tampering built in. When you try to remove it, the end of the wristband shreds due to perforations. By tampering with that wristband they effectively voided their rights to use said Fast Lane wristband.

It isn't about how many people were in line. It is about Ethics, Morals, Values, and Deception.

Their actions are equal to peeling off a lower price sticker and applying it to higher value item. Which is why price stickers now have anti tampering built in.

Kids today don't understand the value of anything.

Just kidding. Mostly. Some kids don't.

I'm not saying that what they did was right and I do feel that the punishment that they received was acceptable I just always enjoy watching people come to the defense of a billion dollar company like they have any stake in the matter (unless you are a unit holder).

CPFan420 said:

Whether the person who bought the pass is in line or the individual that they passed it off to was in line there was still only one individual in line.

This sentence appears that you were justifying their actions. Now it seems you are backpedaling.

As a unit holder I, and many others, expect fiduciary duty of Cedar Point to make maximum profit for it's unit holders.

I don't care if it is a billion dollar entertainment company or a mom and pop bowling alley. Stealing is stealing, ripping someone off is never right, regardless of how big the company is.

Lash, I wasn't justifying their actions I was just saying how whether or not they are passing the pass to each other it's not adding to the amount of people in the Fast Lane line.

Can we all agree however that getting a meal with the dining plan and giving it to someone else is not stealing?

And lastly I just hate when people try and be the moral and ethical police on something when there is not a single person who has acted 100% that way in every moment of their life.

CPFan420 said:

Downloaded a mp3 ringtone off a website instead of buying it?

I haven't. I don't want people to steal from me, so I don't steal from others.

Logged into someone's wifi that wasn't protected?

I haven't. Why would I?

Whether the person who bought the pass is in line or the individual that they passed it off to was in line there was still only one individual in line.

But there are still two people using the product they represented to the park would be used by one person.

I don't think anyone cares about the number of people in the Fast Lane line. Its that there's someone in the line, taking advantage of it, without paying for it like everyone else. I feel like a broken record on this topic from saying this. I'm not saying it in defense of the park as a "fanboy" because the same thing would hold true anywhere. And you're right, no one has been 100% morally correct in their life. Who cares? So you're saying that a cookie I stole from my grandma's kitchen as a child makes me ethically tainted and unable to judge a thief when I see one today?

CPFan420 said:

...I was just saying how whether or not they are passing the pass to each other it's not adding to the amount of people in the Fast Lane line.

The amount of people in line is immaterial.

PyroKinesis09 said:

TwistedWicker77 said:

I would rather not get spit on, especially by some of the people that go to Kennywood. I've seen better looking people at the Trumbull County Fair. And if you've been there, it's not saying much :)

I especially hate people who just stand around in the middle of the midways at the Trumbull County Fair. Step to the side and decide, or go away.

Of course, Trumbull County Fair has wide midways, so it's not as bad. At the Canfield Fair, holy smokes, it's terrible.

Exactly. I couldn't begin to tell you how many times that happened last week. Especially when they're pushing their over sized stroller in the middle of the midway. Same thing happens on the Iron Dragon midway almost every time I'm there.

I can guarantee you that every single person reading this has broken the law at some point in their lives. I'm willing to bet that the majority of readers broke the law today and they did so knowingly.

jsmith7300 said:

I'm willing to bet that the majority of readers broke the law today and they did so knowingly.

It's still early...not yet!

Everybody breaks the law, so it's okay to steal?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

(But three lefts do.)

^ I did not say that it was OK to steal. I said everyone breaks the law in an attempt to give some folks some perspective in the hopes that they'd recognize that all of this moral posturing is pretty asinine.

I had to set up the three lefts line somehow.

The set up is most important, and for that a well played move.

I feel like this has blown completely out of proportion.

Let's picture we are Cedar Point execs.

"So we have FastLane, and we are afraid a small minority of people that paid for the service will rip their bands off and give them to friends to use. What can we do mitigate this loss?"

-"Well sir, given that FastLane costs the park $0.00 (other than the bands), and it is a non-tangible service, we shouldn't be too hard pressed about a loss in this instance".

Let's look at Disney World with their FastPass. There is nothing that is stopping me from using my friend's magicband to get FastPass access. The only hindrance is time.

Cedar Point's FastLane has no time limit nor individual tagging (just like Disney).

In the grand scheme of things: Cedar Point doesn't lose a dime on you using your friend's band, the line doesn't move slower, and the only thing stopping profits is the case that 2/4 friends purchase FastLane instead of 4 (when I'm sure there are plenty of abiding citizens playing the game right).

In conclusion:

Sure, it is technically wrong for that family to pass their bands off to me and my friends as they left the park, but at the same time, we had zero intention of purchasing them AND most importantly: the same number of FastLane users are using the service and not clogging it up.

Confiscate the bands, end of discussion. This talk of banning from the park is ridiculous. If I print my own bands and/or reuse old bands on a different day, feel free to void my pass.

^ I disagree that Fast Lane costs the park zero dollars. They had to pay for the added infrastructure (which probably wasn't much), continued maintenance on the infrastructure, as well as employee wages for the "merge" points. And as you mentioned the bands.

magdrag95 said:

Sure, it is technically wrong for that family to pass their bands off to me and my friends as they left the park, but at the same time, we had zero intention of purchasing them...

That's the same stupid argument folks use to justify stealing movies and music. "But, I would have never bought 3 Men and a Little Lady, so me downloading it illegally is perfectly fine!"

And your argument is nonsense. The FL bands are individually tagged, in that they're physically attached to a person in such a way as to make transfer practically impossible.

With that in mind, I would suspect CF considered that any one person can only ride so many rides before they get worn out, need a break, or get hungry. Transferring the band to another guest removes the time limitation. So in that sense, it could impact other guests and cost the park additional money.