Stealing Fast Pass Plus

Doesn't the All Day Plan limit how much food you get? They don't give you all you want every 90 minutes, just a meal. There's a set amount of food the park allows you to have and once you reach that, whether you ate it all yourself or you shared some of it, you're done. If there were a limited number of rides given to every fastlane band then I don't think the park would really worry about people trading bands. Once you hit the limit you would be done whether you shared or not and you wouldn't be getting any more of a service or product than the park intended for you to have.

Try going to a sporting event (before the use of scanners) on 1 ticket and slipping the ticket through the fence to your buddies until they're all in. You know you're doing wrong, and you're stealing from the venue.

TwistedWicker77 said:

Try going to a sporting event (before the use of scanners) on 1 ticket and slipping the ticket through the fence to your buddies until they're all in. You know you're doing wrong, and you're stealing from the venue.

That's just not quite the same. It'd be like if you bought an admission wrist band to a sporting event. Then you watched the first half of the game alone, left the arena, handed it to your friend, and he watched the second half alone.

Not taking sides, but that is a more valid comparison.

Neither of which is morally correct, ethical, or legal.

Exactly.

Sharing a Fast Lane wristband that was paid for does not allow anyone to get any more goods or services than one person using the same wristband all day. If I buy a wristband and ride nothing but GK all day, exit the ride and get right back into the que I would get X number of rides utilizing the wristband. Same wristband situation but now every time I get off GK I hand it to my wife who rides it while I wait at the exit and we switch back and forth all day long, that wristband now has given the same number of rides (X) but divided amongst 2 people.

It is the policy of CP to not allow this, and therefore it is wrong to do it, it is against the rules, and if you get caught there will be consequences such as forfeiting the pass, removal from the park etc... Those are perfectly acceptable responses for one doing something that they know they should not be doing.

JUnderhill said:

... that wristband now has given the same number of rides (X) but divided amongst 2 people.

And the park was only compensated for one person riding using that wristband. The number of rides you wanted to take and the number of rides your wife wanted to take doesn't matter.

If my husband and I go to Old Country Buffet, and I pay for dinner and eat, then let him in through the exit to eat, well, we've eaten the same amount of food as one very hungry person, just divided amongst two people.

There are a finite number of rides that one can get in any given day utilizing a Fast Lane. Whether I ride GK all day long by myself, or I split that time with another person we cannot together enjoy more rides than one could enjoy by themselves.

The buffet argument is flawed as 2 people can, and likely would consume more food than one person.

I don't understand whats so wrong about it. If 2 friends split the money to buy 1 fast lane pass and they swap it each time so one person rides and one person sits out then that should be perfectly fine. It would be equivalent to one person not even being at the park. If I saw someone sharing a pass then I couldn't care less, but if they were somehow sneaking both friends in using one pass then thats a different story. But as long as ONE person goes in with ONE pass, then most people wouldn't/shouldn't care.

Because the person purchasing the pass is representing to the park they are buying the pass for their own use. As noted above, this is little different from buying a personal use license from Microsoft for Microsoft Product X, then putting that product on all of your friend's computers.

You may be fine with two or three or ten people sharing one wristband, but the park bases the pricing on one wristband for one person.

JUnderhill said:

The buffet argument is flawed as 2 people can, and likely would consume more food than one person.

The amount of food or rides "consumed" doesn't matter. One could as easily argue that two people sharing a wristband will "consume" more rides than one person using the wristband.

And it's still stealing.

When you purchase a FastLane (Plus) wristband, you are purchasing the rights/a license for one individual to access FastLane (Plus) on every participating ride (permitted it's operational) for one operating day.

When you purchase a daily admission ticket, you are purchasing a license for one individual to enter the park for one operating day.

When you purchase an All-Day Dining Plan, you are purchasing a license for one individual to acquire and consume a meal every ninety minutes during one operating day.

What you bought in all of these cases is access for one individual. When you paid for it, you paid for the ability for one person to use it.

Now you want to allow two individuals to use it, and you think that's okay. At most you should get a slap on the wrist?

If you want two people to be able to use it, pay for two.

You don't purchase one license plate and use it on two cars. Oh, but you say, "I'm only driving one car at a time! So, it's like the other plate is going to waste half the time; I'm just using all my available time on the plate!" Do you think the government would agree with you then? It's really not any different.

If you buy access for xpeople and attempt to use it for y people, where y is greater than x, you are stealing.

Theft.

Stealing.

Illegal.

Please, riddle me what is so hard to understand about all of this!

Or are you trolling?

I'm surprised that anyone who cares about the park on any level would be so "ho hum" about a group of adults ripping the park off. I'm even more surprised that people are so passive about it considering this ripping off dealt with the abuse of not just Fast Lane, but Fast Lane Plus. The last thing any guest of the park needs is people abusing this system.

This thread though....Who cares if it is stealing or not. Leave it to the park to decide what should be done and MOVE ON.

I am very curious as to the age of everyone discussing this topic. I fell like if you are 25 or under you see it as no big deal, just a theory and would like to see if it is true. I am also curious if those who don't see as an issue also think that pirating music and movies are ok because they didn't take a physical copy.

^ Your test fails on me.

I'm nineteen and clearly understand the situation as theft. It's simple - two guests are using Fast Lane Plus without paying. And I have yet to see a legitimate reason to see it any other way. My nine year old self would have felt the same way too. I'm not sure how much age plays into ethics issues like this though.

Fast Lane Plus $95 a piece for two

Fast Lane $75 a piece for two. Fast Lane $60 a piece for four with discount for larger quantity.

FLP for 2 = $190

FL for 4 = $240

Pretty simple what they should have done.

CoasterCam said:

This thread though....Who cares if it is stealing or not. Leave it to the park to decide what should be done and MOVE ON.

The whole point of the thread was to see the opionions of other patrons of Cedar Point.

Two people using the service versus four isn't equal amount of usage.

When I go on a lunch break there is less usage of the pass. When I stop by my car for snacks or drinks there is less usage of the pass. I have no one using my pass when I take a break.