Smoking Policy

redsfan said:
Funny to me to see a country... be so intolerant.

Intolerant? Because people would prefer to not be subjected to second hand smoke? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

You went out in public.

Wrong. This person went to a private establishment, where some inconsiderate morons couldn't follow said private establishment's simple rules, which basically amount to: don't be inconsiderate or harmful to others. Smoke is harmful to others.

60 years ago our grandparents were worried about the effects of a negro using the same toilet as we did. Hitler was worried about the jew's. When will people realize that they are a small part of the world and become more tolerant.

Except in this case, there is very clear scientific evidence that second hand smoke is a health issue. So your comparison is horribly off base.

i have served in the Army for 10 years 5 of them in Iraq for you to voice your opinion. Until you pick up a rifle and wear a uniform fight for someone else freedom to voice their own opinion watch how you talk to me. I will smoke where and when i want in open air. deal with it

john1012 said:
I will smoke where and when i want in open air. deal with it

You also served so that a private company could create their own rules to best protect their guests from physical harm.

You also served to protect the liberty of all US citizens, right? So why do you feel it's okay to infringe on others' liberty by exposing them to second hand smoke?

Having served in the military doesn't grant you the ability to be held to a different set of rules than everyone else. Deal with it.

First off, thank you and every other person who served or is serving for what you've sacrificed.

That being said, just because you served in the military doesn't mean you can/should freely jeopardize the health of other people. Second-hand smoke is a proven health hazard, and I have just as much of a right to not have it enter my body as you do to put it into yours. That's why there are smoking areas. Why do you feel that you should have the right to do what you want regardless of how it affects others? If you want to smoke, fine, but do it in the appropriate areas away from those who choose not to smoke.

I have an infant and 13-year old that has asthma. If it's all the same to you john, I'd like to keep them as far away from toxic things as possible, so yes, people that don't adhere to the policy do tend to irritate me.

john1012 said:
I will smoke where and when i want in open air. deal with it

You may be able to do that on public property but CP is private property and they can regulate what people do on their property or ask them to leave. My campus at work does much the same thing as CP, it is a non-smoking campus with some outside designated smoking areas. You can't just light up anywhere in the "open air". Would you smoke in a friends backyard if they asked to have a non-smoking environment? Smoking is self-destructive behavior that has a negative health effect on people around you, or at the very least causes offensive odors. That is why CP and so many other places limit even outside smoking.

I think the dangers of second hand smoke are overstated. Particularly in the context of transient exposure in outdoor environments. The various smoking bans have more to do with smokers being in the minority and a hatred by many non-smokers of smoking. And I say that as a non-smoker who despises smoking (but who also voted against the Ohio smoking ban). Though we discussed all of that at length the last time the CP smoking policy came up here.

Cedar Point has a current smoking policy and the enforcement of the stated policy is part of that policy. If you don't like the current policy, tell guest services, write letters/send emails to management, etc. And if no changes are made and you still don't like the park's policy, stop going to the park.

From what I can tell, I don't think the park's policy (including enforcement) has changed since the last time the issue was discussed here. Tells me there aren't enough people complaining about it much less walking away from the park because of it.

Please educate yourself on the posting guidelines and grammar usage before coming on here thinking you know what these forums are about.

http://pointbuzz.com/Forums/Thread/14492.aspx

http://pointbuzz.com/Forums/Thread/15470.aspx

john1012 said:
i have served in the Army for 10 years 5 of them in Iraq for you to voice your opinion. Until you pick up a rifle and wear a uniform fight for someone else freedom to voice their own opinion watch how you talk to me. I will smoke where and when i want in open air. deal with it

Smoking policy has nothing to do with if one has or has not served in a military. Having such a chip on your shoulder makes me believe you did not learn one bit of respect in the Military. Wonder how your company commander would have liked it if you just lit up where you wanted, when you wanted.

Coming to you from a wife of a medically retired US Navy SEAL. Just because you carried a rifle does not make you above anyone else. However, because you did serve, and for 10 years at that, in the US Military, I would expect a lot more respect from you sir!

Ok I'm Active duty, this is getting out of hand. Sir, thank you for your TIG/TIS and dedication to the military, however with all due respect, I agree with you civillians don't understand our lifestyle and what we do, however, we follow the rules just like everyone else, and we have even more rules to follow such as the UCMJ and each services/bases guidelines and instructions.

Please refrain from posting negatively and disrespectful, it brings discredit upon our services, and that's something that we just don't need.

GoBucks89 said:
I think the dangers of second hand smoke are overstated.

Thankfully for the rest of us, science doesn't care what you think. Second hand smoke is harmful to others, regardless of whether or not you want it to be.

I am an ex smoker that has turned to vaping. I have used my vaporizer all over the park, including the indoor pool at breakers. The lifeguard told me I could not smoke in the area, but when he realized what I was doing he told me its was fine. Im only exhaling water vapor and there is nothing second hand that can hurt anyone. I dont see why more people do this instead of sucking in all the chemicals. That is just my two cents.

loneranger7281 said:
I am an ex smoker that has turned to vaping.

Then you're not really an ex-smoker. ;)

Im only exhaling water vapor and there is nothing second hand that can hurt anyone.

Nonsense - it's absolutely NOT just water vapor.

In fact, while the studies I've seen have not been conclusive on second hand vaporization, there is absolutely still toxins in what you're breathing. You're simply reducing them when vaping, not eliminating them altogether.

As such, when you vape in non-smoking areas, you cannot be sure you're not endangering others (regardless of what the guy who sold you your E-cig claimed). So please stop being inconsiderate just so you can feed your addiction.

Ralph Wiggum said:

GoBucks89 said:
I think the dangers of second hand smoke are overstated.

Thankfully for the rest of us, science doesn't care what you think. Second hand smoke is harmful to others, regardless of whether or not you want it to be.

Dangers overstated does not equal not harmful. Nice try though.

djDaemon said:

Nonsense - it's absolutely NOT just water vapor.

In fact, while the studies I've seen have not been conclusive on second hand vaporization, there is absolutely still toxins in what you're breathing. You're simply reducing them when vaping, not eliminating them altogether.
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This is why you can't use your e-cig on a plane or other forms of public transportation. I don't care what anyone says, there's definitely still nicotine in the vapor that is exhaled. We have a home user that comes into the office when she needs things done on her PC, and she chain puffs on a vaporizer. It's like SCUBA, and she never inhales without it being through that thing. She sat near my cube for hours, and by lunch time, I was shaking like crazy, felt a bit dizzy and had the worst headache - from what I can only imagine was being exposed to that much nicotine at once.

I have nothing against e-cigs and/or vaping, but I think they need to be treated more like cigarettes than nebulizers and inhalers.

Yeah, they absolutely should be treated the same as cigarettes. I'm very opposed to the smoking bans in places like Michigan and Ohio (though I really am enjoying the resulting environs), but if smoking is banned somewhere, so should be vaporizing, at least until there's broad scientific study demonstrating there's no health risk. Until that time, it's only reasonable to assume the same health risk exists with both nicotine ingestion methods.

The smoking ban is probably one of the only good things Granholm did in Michigan in 8 years. I'm a conservative, but this is the one singular area where I agree with liberals. Non smokers shouldn't have to be subject to the stupidity of smokers when it comes to having a meal with their family or a drink at a bar. I'm so grateful to be able to go to a bar now and have a drink or watch a game, and not come home with a headache and stinking like smoke.

I'm with Brandon. I'm not a fan of the actual smoking bans themselves, but I do really love the environments they've created. When I was in Vegas a few weeks ago, and smoking is still allowed in casinos, it was a bit of a shocker coming from smoke free OH.

MaverickLaunch said:
Non smokers shouldn't have to be subject to the stupidity of smokers when it comes to having a meal with their family or a drink at a bar.

This debate has gone on forever, but the basic view in my mind is that no one was forcing you into those smoke-filled establishments. Non-smoking alternatives, while rare, did exist. You were making the value judgment that dealing with the smoke was worth it to have a meal there. You weren't being forced by gunpoint, nor do you have a constitutional right to enter every private establishment in the US.

If market demand for non-smoking establishments were high enough, private businesses would have made the policy change on their own. And in fact, around the time of this legislation, it seems that market demand was increasing, as many establishments were making the change on their own.

So, "yay" for more unnecessary big government, I guess?

e x i t english said:
...smoking is still allowed in casinos, it was a bit of a shocker coming from smoke free OH.

We were in Greektown not long ago, and decided to venture into the casino to blow some money, but didn't make it beyond the entryway before turning around. And we're both ex-smokers.

I am against bad policies even if they benefit me. They tend to set up bad precedents.

I wouldn't so much call it stupidity from smokers to want to smoke and eat a meal or have a drink, but it really was nasty to come home smelling so bad because there were so many smokers. True that nobody held anybody to gunpoint when going in a smoking environment, but non smokers shouldn't have to avoid going out in public just because there was smoking almost everywhere. As an on/off smoker, the smell of second hand smoke is disgusting to me.