Smoking Policy

Rotor said:
All I know is the McDonald's down the street from them has plenty of cameras inside, including one for the drive-thru. Compare the profit margins of these two places.

You should probably compare the size of each venue. (Here's a hint: Cedar Point is slightly larger than your average McDonald's).

That's the entire point of their security staff, to enforce Cedar Point's rules.

And some rules are more important than others. I'd prefer they focus on keeping things in order, rather than comparatively petty stuff like smoking outside designated areas.

As for how much 20 extra employees would cost, well assuming CP paid them $50,000 yearly for salary and benefits combined, it would cost them a million dollars. Yes, they can afford that.

Yeah, that's not how it works. There's more cost to employing someone than their salary benefits. And when you combine the cost of the "nanny state" infrastructure, the cost becomes quite significant.

As with any business investment, the cost must be weighed against the benefit. In this case, the only benefit is that someone on a forum who knows nothing about business or law wouldn't be able to create a frivolous lawsuit that would rapidly tossed out of court.

But by creating a policy they have no means of enforcing, they've created the perfect opportunity for a TRUE incident here, such as somebody getting hit, stabbed, tazed, possibly shot. Nobody walks through a metal detector on their way through. You mix together enough smokers and non-smokers in those lines, and eventually it's going to happen. You think Cedar Point wants to deal with that publicity? It's safer, and less insulting, to just not have the policy in the first place. Not much would really change.

Well, I've personally seen CPPD tell smokers to move to a designated area.

So there goes your whole "they don't enforce their policy" legal argument.

e x i t english said:
LOL. U got me, dawg!

Anybody have some water, cause I just got BURNED!

JK No I didn't.

Nobody was trying to 'burn' you. Which further proves my point that no matter how old you are or where you're at, you're going to try to be cool in front of people. And it's working real well for you "dawg"!

'JK' not it's not.

I love it when someone's buttons are so easily pushed.

Rotor said:
But by creating a policy they have no means of enforcing, they've created the perfect opportunity for a TRUE incident here, such as somebody getting hit, stabbed, tazed, possibly shot. Nobody walks through a metal detector on their way through. You mix together enough smokers and non-smokers in those lines, and eventually it's going to happen. You think Cedar Point wants to deal with that publicity? It's safer, and less insulting, to just not have the policy in the first place. Not much would really change.

By having the policy and signs around the park asking people to smoke in designated areas they have significantly reduced the number of people smoking everywhere else. Most people will smoke only in a designated area when it as provided. You may think it is not working but I remember how much smoking went on in the ride lines and on the midways back in the 80's. Even without being fully enforced the policy has made a big difference. As far as metal detectors and mixing smokers and non smokers and the potential for violence I think you're getting worked up a bit. Anyone who would go postal over a cigarette is likely a person who would do so simply because you looked at them wrong anyway.

^I agree.

I am kind of dumbstruck at some of the vitriol of smoking compared to what it was like not long ago like Paisley said, even in the 90's, it was EVERYWHERE. And every time you went to a bar, you came home smelling like an ashtray. I can understand asthmatics having an issue but I don't think I'm going to die if I got a whiff of someone's cigarette across the midway.

Rotor said:
But by creating a policy they have no means of enforcing, they've created the perfect opportunity for a TRUE incident here, such as somebody getting hit, stabbed, tazed, possibly shot.

...eventually it's going to happen.

Wait a second... did you just suggest that by (allegedly) not enforcing the no smoking policy, the park has created an environment where someone will inevitably get assaulted?

Stop posting here immediately and get to a lawyer. And by "lawyer", I mean therapist.

e x i t english said:
I love it when someone's buttons are so easily pushed.

Me too. That's why reading your responses make me laugh at how not engaged you are in the conversation and argument of the smoking policy, rather choosing to argue with someone of how bad they didn't 'burn' you. I just don't show my emotion about it, because text shorthand is rarely tolerated on here, ie: LOL, JK, etc. ;)

Paisley, exactly! Physical actions like that don't occur simply because of mixing non smokers with smokers. It's the people who constantly have their guard up and don't like having their pride hurt when approached in a rude way as e x i t english has said. Some people do take second hand smoke seriously these days, which is a good precaution to take no doubt. Therefore, enforcing the rule is more ethical in today's society. However, I do agree that other rules need to be more strict and enforced more throughout the park, rather than just the smoking policy.

I need popcorn

It doesn't matter how "engaged in the conversation" or not I am, I can read your piss poor attitude from the way you talk about people. I guarantee you that you were the one giving the lip, and therefore got it in return. The truth stings, but when you approach someone, they're going to respond the way they perceive they are being treated, it's human nature.

Now, be gone with you. Leave me alone.

edit: Off my lawn and all that, too.

I hope your "guarantee" is backed by the 100% money back offer, because you sir are wrong. Funny thing is, I even agreed on your theory of being approached in a rude way in my last reply. But, like I said before, some people will also try to be douches in front of their friends, girlfriends, or boyfriends when told to do something no matter how they are asked also. And yes, it does matter how engaged you are in the conversation. What do you think these threads are for? But whatever you say sir. How old are you by the way? Because you really are the epitome of what I'm talking about. Your pride is just hurt and I can see it. I understand your frustration though.

the bottom line is SF parks eject people and thats why their policy works.

Or it may well be the case that the policies are different in terms of end goals and thus both work in terms of those end goals.

Funny to me to see a country that has allowed women to vote, abolished slavery, and is very close to giving gays the same rights as straight couples be so intolerant. You went out in public. You didn't get raped, stabbed, shot, punched, kicked, or killed. You just had to deal with one person who smoked one cigerette in your presence. To think this one guy represents anyone else is absurd.

I think this smoking issue is all relevent to a bunch of nazis having to be politically correct. You can't control who goes to the park. 60 years ago our grandparents were worried about the effects of a negro using the same toilet as we did. Hitler was worried about the jew's. When will people realize that they are a small part of the world and become more tolerant.

as a smoker who goes to the park at least 10 times a year i for one for the most part smoke where told to yes i sneak one in on the midway and have been askedd many times to put it out and do. as for smokeing in line yes i have only when the ride was down and before i lit up i asked if it would bother anyone next to me if it did i wouldnt and for the most part te most of the time no one complained. so Rotor as a smoker who asks before i lite up am i the white trash u claim the is takeining over the park? i now on the other hand belive u are the white trash who is trying to make a earn a free dollar by saying u are gona sue if something dont go your way and only your way. you remind me of the white trash that sued mcdonald's bc she didnt know that coffie was hot. u are the problem not me or any other smoker

Based on spelling alone - yes.

Smokers are treated like second class citizens because of the attitudes of some non smokers. Having smoking areas doesn't bother me, but the looks, waving of hands, and general attitude of people walking by does!

I am a considerate smoker. If I am near someone, I move or make sure the smoke doesn't come their way. Non smokers don't want to smell like ashtrays.....I don't blame them.

We aren't bad people, and for the most part I think smokers use the designated areas. It just takes a few bad apples to make us all look bad.

thank god this topic is not based on spelling but smoking

john1012 said:
...i for one for the most part smoke where told to yes i sneak one in on the midway and have been askedd many times to put it out and do. as for smokeing in line yes i have only when the ride was down and before i lit up i asked if it would bother anyone next to me...

Just because the person next to you didn't mind doesn't mean others didn't mind. You're self-centered and incredibly rude, and you're part of the problem.

you remind me of the white trash that sued mcdonald's bc she didnt know that coffie was hot. u are the problem not me or any other smoker

You really need to educate yourself regarding that lawsuit (and while you're at it, learn grammar), because you couldn't be more ignorant in your assessment. The woman had a legitimate case.

And you are the problem. Stop being an inconsiderate douche bag.