Six Flags Worlds of Adventure: Now what?
I do not understand the SWoA is more of a "family park" than CP. Because they have a Dolphin show?
PLEASE....I can speak from experience that there is much more to do at CP than BOTH SFO & SWO. With Sea World "removing" the animals and SF having to restock...there is now less than there was. I have "done" SFO & SWO in the same day and this is when Both parks were separate.
Try spending ONE day at CP and tell me that is enough time to "do" the park.
One of the early posts mentioned the combined attendance from 2000 for the two parks will not equal the attendance for 2001. I agree.
This move WILL NOT impact CP this season or even next year...IF and I can't state that strongly enough IF, this merger ever effects CP.
There are a number of key issues to look at:
1) SFWoA is just a hodge podge put together overnight.
2) Resorts...What if any sort of overnight facilities are available in Aurora? or at the park?
3) Reputation. You can change the name, splash some paint on some buildings, build some coasters but if it is still poorly run PEOPLE WON'T COME.
Marketing 101:
Everyone has heard of Miller Lite Beer and probably remembers the "Taste Great...Less Filling" advertising campaign which promoted Miller Lite. Miller Lite was not the first Light beer on the market but it was the first light beer to capture..REPEAT BUYERS.
This is the key especially when dealing with SEASONAL PARKS.
People may visit SFWoA ONCE but...will they return year to year? Based on the performance of last season...I highly doubt a strong repeat visitor.
Step back and look at the two parks...if you are looking for a "multiple day" visit CP IS the ONLY choice which makes sense.
P.S. CP has animals...take a walk down Frontier Trail someday..you'll be surprised to see whats there. *** This post was edited by Old Timer Tim on 2/2/2001. ***
PLEASE....I can speak from experience that there is much more to do at CP than BOTH SFO & SWO. With Sea World "removing" the animals and SF having to restock...there is now less than there was. I have "done" SFO & SWO in the same day and this is when Both parks were separate.
Try spending ONE day at CP and tell me that is enough time to "do" the park.
One of the early posts mentioned the combined attendance from 2000 for the two parks will not equal the attendance for 2001. I agree.
This move WILL NOT impact CP this season or even next year...IF and I can't state that strongly enough IF, this merger ever effects CP.
There are a number of key issues to look at:
1) SFWoA is just a hodge podge put together overnight.
2) Resorts...What if any sort of overnight facilities are available in Aurora? or at the park?
3) Reputation. You can change the name, splash some paint on some buildings, build some coasters but if it is still poorly run PEOPLE WON'T COME.
Marketing 101:
Everyone has heard of Miller Lite Beer and probably remembers the "Taste Great...Less Filling" advertising campaign which promoted Miller Lite. Miller Lite was not the first Light beer on the market but it was the first light beer to capture..REPEAT BUYERS.
This is the key especially when dealing with SEASONAL PARKS.
People may visit SFWoA ONCE but...will they return year to year? Based on the performance of last season...I highly doubt a strong repeat visitor.
Step back and look at the two parks...if you are looking for a "multiple day" visit CP IS the ONLY choice which makes sense.
P.S. CP has animals...take a walk down Frontier Trail someday..you'll be surprised to see whats there. *** This post was edited by Old Timer Tim on 2/2/2001. ***
CP will always have something that SFWoA won't. A fantastic well established resort atmosphere. The scenery around SF is less then stellar and CP's seemingly remote position out on the edge of a peninsula surrounded by water on three sides truly feels like "getting away." I think that CP is smart to play the full service resort card with the addition of Lighthouse Point. Maybe CP can put some it's energy back into the things that created it in the first place. A nice lakeside resort where people can go to relax and leave the regular world for a while. I can envision guests coming to stay at a cabin. Spend the day swimming, playing tennis, relaxing on the beach with a good book, and having a nice meal at a restaurant without ever having to visit the amusement park. Families can even split up with some spending the day on rides while others take in the less intense attractions. SF doesn't really have the relaxing resort atmosphere and has to position themselves as a "high energy" park with recreational overload. If the whole SF "two parks for one price" thing becomes an issue then CP can always look into combining Soak City with the general amusement area in the future.
Old Timer Tim:
You are only looking through your eyes. Look through the eyes of a small child or a family of four. Would they rather go to CP to ride huge coasters and some kid attractions or pay the same price and have coasters plus animals. You can't deny that SFA has added some great coasters in the last few years. If these same coasters were at CP, we would be praising them up and down. Sure families will still choose CP or go to both, but let's get real, SFA offers more for the FAMILY.
They only thing SFA is losing is killer whales. You make it sound like they are only offering dolphins. They are bringing in their own penguins, their own dolphins, plus walruses. The seals stay, the sharks stay and so does the aquarium. Plus, they will bring in more animals in the years to come.
Let's stop ripping on SFA. They have some wonderful attractions and will only get better. It will NEVER be of the class of CP and never beat the resort atmosphere, but it is very attractive to families. My two nephews get bored at CP. There's only so much for kids. But they were in their glory at Sea World.
Also, "based on the performance of last year"? SFO did just fine. And they will get repeat visitors because of the affordability of the season pass. What a value! Both parks together make one-huge park now. Would you rather have Geauga Lake back?
I am not knocking CP AT ALL. But give SFA credit. If you had let's say a 5 and 8 year-old and only had the budget to go to one park, where would you go for your kids, not you?
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You are only looking through your eyes. Look through the eyes of a small child or a family of four. Would they rather go to CP to ride huge coasters and some kid attractions or pay the same price and have coasters plus animals. You can't deny that SFA has added some great coasters in the last few years. If these same coasters were at CP, we would be praising them up and down. Sure families will still choose CP or go to both, but let's get real, SFA offers more for the FAMILY.
They only thing SFA is losing is killer whales. You make it sound like they are only offering dolphins. They are bringing in their own penguins, their own dolphins, plus walruses. The seals stay, the sharks stay and so does the aquarium. Plus, they will bring in more animals in the years to come.
Let's stop ripping on SFA. They have some wonderful attractions and will only get better. It will NEVER be of the class of CP and never beat the resort atmosphere, but it is very attractive to families. My two nephews get bored at CP. There's only so much for kids. But they were in their glory at Sea World.
Also, "based on the performance of last year"? SFO did just fine. And they will get repeat visitors because of the affordability of the season pass. What a value! Both parks together make one-huge park now. Would you rather have Geauga Lake back?
I am not knocking CP AT ALL. But give SFA credit. If you had let's say a 5 and 8 year-old and only had the budget to go to one park, where would you go for your kids, not you?
*** This post was edited by net on 2/2/2001. ***
I agree with everyone who said the combined attendance of SWO and SFO will be less than the separate parks had last year. From what I've heard on the street, Six Flags has alienated a lot of former Sea World customers.
I don't buy the whole dormitory/service issue. Sea World has always had excellent customer service. They don't have employee accommodations on site. It's a difference in management, SF is no Busch or CP. I fear that customer service in the park will typical Six Flags, a loss for the marine park.
Six Flags will need a few years of good customer service and refinement of the concept to build it's business. Is it a potential danger to CP? Yes! But it's nothing to worry about if CP does things the right way. CP has the reputation, they are still number one and can remain on top regardless of what Six Flags does. Don't forget that CP management is SMART. Some of you sound like they are just going to roll over and give up. I assure you that Six Flags will be analyzed by CP management backward and forwards, inside and out. Steps will be taken to compensate for anything that Six Flags does.
I'm actually worried about Six Flags. Yes they have grand plans, but how will the debt load they carry affect the company if the economy goes to hell?
In the book "Cedar Point - Queen of American Watering Places", they mention that CP has had competition from various places during it's history. They have always been ahead of the game, probably in part because of CP's spectacular location, isolated on a peninsula. It's sets up an atmosphere that make you truly feel like you've left everything day to day behind. Six Flags may be "Worlds of Adventure", but CP is still a "World Apart".
I don't buy the whole dormitory/service issue. Sea World has always had excellent customer service. They don't have employee accommodations on site. It's a difference in management, SF is no Busch or CP. I fear that customer service in the park will typical Six Flags, a loss for the marine park.
Six Flags will need a few years of good customer service and refinement of the concept to build it's business. Is it a potential danger to CP? Yes! But it's nothing to worry about if CP does things the right way. CP has the reputation, they are still number one and can remain on top regardless of what Six Flags does. Don't forget that CP management is SMART. Some of you sound like they are just going to roll over and give up. I assure you that Six Flags will be analyzed by CP management backward and forwards, inside and out. Steps will be taken to compensate for anything that Six Flags does.
I'm actually worried about Six Flags. Yes they have grand plans, but how will the debt load they carry affect the company if the economy goes to hell?
In the book "Cedar Point - Queen of American Watering Places", they mention that CP has had competition from various places during it's history. They have always been ahead of the game, probably in part because of CP's spectacular location, isolated on a peninsula. It's sets up an atmosphere that make you truly feel like you've left everything day to day behind. Six Flags may be "Worlds of Adventure", but CP is still a "World Apart".
Hey Net:
Yes I am looking through my eyes...My eyes as the Father of a family of FOUR with two young children...By FAR the BEST VALUE is Cedar Point.
Everyone should go visit GTTP's sister site, Coasterbuzz.com and read the editorial about CUSTOMER SERVICE. Why, maybe this should be required reading for Six Flags...I don't care how many peguins, seals, whales or coasters you have...How am I and my FAMILY treated...that's what counts and that is where Six Flags misses the target.
*** This post was edited by Old Timer Tim on 2/2/2001. ***
Yes I am looking through my eyes...My eyes as the Father of a family of FOUR with two young children...By FAR the BEST VALUE is Cedar Point.
Everyone should go visit GTTP's sister site, Coasterbuzz.com and read the editorial about CUSTOMER SERVICE. Why, maybe this should be required reading for Six Flags...I don't care how many peguins, seals, whales or coasters you have...How am I and my FAMILY treated...that's what counts and that is where Six Flags misses the target.
*** This post was edited by Old Timer Tim on 2/2/2001. ***
OTT:
I don't know you, but how old are your kids? If they are teenagers, yes CP is a better value. But if they are under, let's say 10, I disagree. CP is a better park...MUCH BETTER. But a better value?
CP's season pass (not including Soak City)=over $100. SFA season pass (all three parks)=under $50
If younger children can not ride the big coasters, how is CP a better value?
I love CP as much as you, but we are too biased on this site, and maybe we should be. But stop denying the dramatic improvements made by the once awful park known as Geauga Lake. We make it sound like prison inmates run it. I'll repeat, if CP had installed the same coasters SFO did, we would be very, very happy.
As far as customer service or cleanliness, it's rediculous to even talk about. Six Flags can't touch CP in that category. That's obvious. *** This post was edited by net on 2/2/2001. ***
I don't know you, but how old are your kids? If they are teenagers, yes CP is a better value. But if they are under, let's say 10, I disagree. CP is a better park...MUCH BETTER. But a better value?
CP's season pass (not including Soak City)=over $100. SFA season pass (all three parks)=under $50
If younger children can not ride the big coasters, how is CP a better value?
I love CP as much as you, but we are too biased on this site, and maybe we should be. But stop denying the dramatic improvements made by the once awful park known as Geauga Lake. We make it sound like prison inmates run it. I'll repeat, if CP had installed the same coasters SFO did, we would be very, very happy.
As far as customer service or cleanliness, it's rediculous to even talk about. Six Flags can't touch CP in that category. That's obvious. *** This post was edited by net on 2/2/2001. ***
Net:
Children are under ten...Also, CP has a CHEAPER ticket for UNDER 48 inches, ( will be $15.00, SFWoA 1/2 price of 37.99 or $18.00)
Yes CP is Higher Priced but I consider it a better Value because of the SERVICE...CP and Cedar Fair in general DRILLS the employeess with the Four Cornerstones...Safety, Courtesy, Cleaniness, and Service. (another reference to Coasterbuzz.com read the interview with Dick Kinzel)
SFO has had REPEATED problems witrh the operations of the park not to mention OHSA FINED the park for unsafe operation last season.
Because of this, I would rather pay MORE money and be treated better. Because of this I consider CP an excellent Value.
Remember, you get what you paid for...
Maybe we should consider Orlando Flordia and look at How Universal effected/or did not effect...Walt Disney World..These parks are much closer in proximity to each other than CP and SFWoA.
Someday SFWoA MAY become a better park however on my scale they have a LONG way to climb.
Children are under ten...Also, CP has a CHEAPER ticket for UNDER 48 inches, ( will be $15.00, SFWoA 1/2 price of 37.99 or $18.00)
Yes CP is Higher Priced but I consider it a better Value because of the SERVICE...CP and Cedar Fair in general DRILLS the employeess with the Four Cornerstones...Safety, Courtesy, Cleaniness, and Service. (another reference to Coasterbuzz.com read the interview with Dick Kinzel)
SFO has had REPEATED problems witrh the operations of the park not to mention OHSA FINED the park for unsafe operation last season.
Because of this, I would rather pay MORE money and be treated better. Because of this I consider CP an excellent Value.
Remember, you get what you paid for...
Maybe we should consider Orlando Flordia and look at How Universal effected/or did not effect...Walt Disney World..These parks are much closer in proximity to each other than CP and SFWoA.
Someday SFWoA MAY become a better park however on my scale they have a LONG way to climb.
Cedar Point has a plan for this...They don't have the industry's best COO (Chief Operating Officer) without having a plan. Personally, I don't think that it will hurt Cedar Point as much as some think. Cedar Point pulls tons of people from Detroit/Toledo areas, and I don't believe that they'd drive an extra hour plus to get a bad parking spot and watch a dolphin jump. On the other hand, families will flock to SFWoA, but mark my words: If SFWoA has problems in their first season, Cedar Point will thrive in 2002, with the addition of more rides. When I say problems, I mean bad service, understaffed areas, rides breaking down consistently. I have a feeling that if SFWoA does not get its act together, and acts like it usually does, it is in trouble. (It's already in debt)
OTT:
I here you, but explain your philosphy to the family I mentioned in my first post. If you don't make much money, Six Flags is a better value. It may not be better, but young kids are going to have blast. Combining the two parks, SFA has a lot to offer now.
If you have young kids and they can't ride coasters, then how are you unless you brought extra family/friends? So it makes no sense for that family to dish out over $100 bucks for a season pass when they can't ride. It's a better value to pay $50 for a season pass at a park that offers more for the kids.
But I understand what you are saying about the four cornerstones. Unfortunately, it just doesn't matter much to a family that is struggling. $50 is a cheap price to pay for a summer of fun.
I here you, but explain your philosphy to the family I mentioned in my first post. If you don't make much money, Six Flags is a better value. It may not be better, but young kids are going to have blast. Combining the two parks, SFA has a lot to offer now.
If you have young kids and they can't ride coasters, then how are you unless you brought extra family/friends? So it makes no sense for that family to dish out over $100 bucks for a season pass when they can't ride. It's a better value to pay $50 for a season pass at a park that offers more for the kids.
But I understand what you are saying about the four cornerstones. Unfortunately, it just doesn't matter much to a family that is struggling. $50 is a cheap price to pay for a summer of fun.
"Sea World has always had excellent customer service."
I'm guessing, though, that they have a smaller staff than the former SFO and a smaller percentage of high school students.
I'm sure management style is a huge factor. It's hard for me to compare. I don't know how the service was before Premier/Six Flags and I've never been to any other Six Flags parks.
But I do know that I had more fun at little ol' Indiana Beach than I did at SFO.
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I'm guessing, though, that they have a smaller staff than the former SFO and a smaller percentage of high school students.
I'm sure management style is a huge factor. It's hard for me to compare. I don't know how the service was before Premier/Six Flags and I've never been to any other Six Flags parks.
But I do know that I had more fun at little ol' Indiana Beach than I did at SFO.
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hmmm...well, I went last year, and I'm not planning a trip there this year!!
As for CP doing something about this...Ohio has a lot of land...CP should just buy some just outside Sandusky and add an "Animal Kingdom/Busch Gardens" park to thier empire!
As for CP doing something about this...Ohio has a lot of land...CP should just buy some just outside Sandusky and add an "Animal Kingdom/Busch Gardens" park to thier empire!
Net, Six Flags Whatever-the-heck-it's-name-is -these-days may be a better value, but if people go and have an unpleasant time, due to inordinate numbers of rides being down, or due to rude employees, whatever...why would they go back? When I want to have a hamburger I always go to the Melrose Diner here in Chicago. There's a McDonald's five blocks closer to my house, and McDonald's hamburgers, being about 8 dollars cheaper, are a far better value. But I'm willing to pay the difference for what I get.
I understand your point that a family on a tight budget may choose Six Flags Let's-draw-another-name-out-of-the-hat because it's cheaper, but I think you mischaracterize Cedar Point as a teens only destination. CP offers Camp Snoopy, the Petting Farm, various kids ride... in addition CP offers a good number of attractions for the whole family--the train, Thunder Canyon, Space Spiral...
I went to Six Flags Ohio last year. I will not be going to Six Flags New-name-every-year this year, despite that excellent value, in part because when we went last year, the very first employees we met--the ones processing season passes, in May-- were rude, with one exception. The second group of Six Flags employees we met--at the turnstiles, weren't bothering to check tickets or passes and just letting everyone in. Many of the employees we had cause to interact with were less than polite, and I won't support that with my dollars. If that is the kind of experience SF is giving, I don't think many families will want to go there, no matter how excellent a value it may be.
And anyways, if this family of yours is on so tight a budget, why are they even buying season passes? There are a lot of cheaper alternatives out there than amusement parks.
I understand your point that a family on a tight budget may choose Six Flags Let's-draw-another-name-out-of-the-hat because it's cheaper, but I think you mischaracterize Cedar Point as a teens only destination. CP offers Camp Snoopy, the Petting Farm, various kids ride... in addition CP offers a good number of attractions for the whole family--the train, Thunder Canyon, Space Spiral...
I went to Six Flags Ohio last year. I will not be going to Six Flags New-name-every-year this year, despite that excellent value, in part because when we went last year, the very first employees we met--the ones processing season passes, in May-- were rude, with one exception. The second group of Six Flags employees we met--at the turnstiles, weren't bothering to check tickets or passes and just letting everyone in. Many of the employees we had cause to interact with were less than polite, and I won't support that with my dollars. If that is the kind of experience SF is giving, I don't think many families will want to go there, no matter how excellent a value it may be.
And anyways, if this family of yours is on so tight a budget, why are they even buying season passes? There are a lot of cheaper alternatives out there than amusement parks.
One thing we are overlooking is the fact that SFA is not even open yet. Let's give it a season to see if it is better this year. Maybe the Sea World staff (which is staying) will have a positive influence because Sea World was a Class A park in terms of cleanliness and courtesy.
Hey I agree, this park was a dump last year. I too said that I would not go back despite the fact that the new coasters were very nice. But X-Flight looks exciting and combining the two parks has my curiosity. The price tag is affordable for anyone.
So maybe we should reserve our opinions until the end of summer. This really isn't about CP. It is hard to destroy an empire. It's really about if SFA will succeed in time, supplying bigger competion than Geauga Lake ever could.
Hey I agree, this park was a dump last year. I too said that I would not go back despite the fact that the new coasters were very nice. But X-Flight looks exciting and combining the two parks has my curiosity. The price tag is affordable for anyone.
So maybe we should reserve our opinions until the end of summer. This really isn't about CP. It is hard to destroy an empire. It's really about if SFA will succeed in time, supplying bigger competion than Geauga Lake ever could.
I for one was planning on going to SFO this year, in addition to my annual trip to CP, but after this announcement, I'm not going within 30 miles of that place. I can't imagine how they are going to get everything in place between these two parks in time for opening day. Plus, with all the reports of bad service and ride down time from last year, it can't possibly get any better. I'll stick with going to CP this year as usual and wait and see how all this plays out. I hope for SF's sake they can make this work, otherwise they are going to be out of business with all the debt they are incurring in a decling economy.
Just to drop in here, I remember going to Cedar Point as a kid, back when Wildcat looked imposing.
This was before the Camp Snoopy area, and largely before Berenstain Bears became anything. Back in the halcyon days of Kid Arthur's Court (I was always too big for that...dang)
I remember spending a *lot* of time on CCMR, the petting zoo, Jr. Gemini, and the old west area. White Water Landing, man, the old Mill Race. I miss that ride. Always hit it just before leaving.
I always liked Cedar Point more than the Toledo Zoo, for instance (which is vastly under-rated, and IMHO, superior to Cincinnati's), or Boblo, or the like. Even with a semi-small area, there was always *something* to do.
I can attest to the fact that my (then) 4-year old sister spent 2 hours on Woodstock's Express and Frog Hopper two years ago. =)
As far as the animals went, we'd hit the occasional show as a break or walk through the aquarium, but I remember only really hitting Jungle Larry's once.
This was before the Camp Snoopy area, and largely before Berenstain Bears became anything. Back in the halcyon days of Kid Arthur's Court (I was always too big for that...dang)
I remember spending a *lot* of time on CCMR, the petting zoo, Jr. Gemini, and the old west area. White Water Landing, man, the old Mill Race. I miss that ride. Always hit it just before leaving.
I always liked Cedar Point more than the Toledo Zoo, for instance (which is vastly under-rated, and IMHO, superior to Cincinnati's), or Boblo, or the like. Even with a semi-small area, there was always *something* to do.
I can attest to the fact that my (then) 4-year old sister spent 2 hours on Woodstock's Express and Frog Hopper two years ago. =)
As far as the animals went, we'd hit the occasional show as a break or walk through the aquarium, but I remember only really hitting Jungle Larry's once.
I went out and got my season pass to Six Flags: Worlds of Adventure today. I don't care what anyone else says, but a season pass to the new SFWOF for only $43 can't be beat. Cedar Point is still my favorite park by far, but when there are other parks in the area offering other great thrill rides that can't be found at the Point why should I avoid them? Sure the employees and management don't match those of the Point, but if I am going to be soaring on X-Flight, letting my feet dangle on Batman:KF, twirling on Superman:UE, and roaring away on the Villian, I don't really care too much about the service. So what if SF goes bankrupt in the next few years, I will still get my $43 worth this summer!
Well, I don't think this has been brought up yet. How is Six Flags going to make money on this monstrous park with the current ticket prices? Isn't staffing three seperate parks going to cost a lot? And if people only come to the park for one day figuring that you can see one park in one day, will the admission prices be enough to cover the expenses and paying off the debt?
Maybe I'm wrong, but this park sounds like a great value, however I wonder if it will generate enough profit to keep everything up and running. After all, the animals will have to be cared for during the winter (I'm sure that is a substantial expense). Plus there will have to be enough staff to run all of the rides, food stands, water slides, and aquatic shows. It seems like there will be huge overhead, and I question whether or not it will be covered.
For what it's worth, I do hope to get a chance to see what this park looks like this summer. I was never at Geauga Lake or Six Flags Ohio and the only time I was at SWO was when I was about 10 years old.
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...and enjoy the rest of your day at Cedar Point, The Am-aaaa-zement park!
Maybe I'm wrong, but this park sounds like a great value, however I wonder if it will generate enough profit to keep everything up and running. After all, the animals will have to be cared for during the winter (I'm sure that is a substantial expense). Plus there will have to be enough staff to run all of the rides, food stands, water slides, and aquatic shows. It seems like there will be huge overhead, and I question whether or not it will be covered.
For what it's worth, I do hope to get a chance to see what this park looks like this summer. I was never at Geauga Lake or Six Flags Ohio and the only time I was at SWO was when I was about 10 years old.
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...and enjoy the rest of your day at Cedar Point, The Am-aaaa-zement park!
People agree with me that SFWOA attendance will be less then the 2 parks combined last year. I guess I am not crazy.
The money that Natas brought up is a good point. This is another part which I don't get about PKS in General. They are never going to make a profit with those prices on tickets and season passes, and for a company in debt, low ticket prices won't cut it. They can only fit so many people in that park.
I know people have thrown around the world Monopoly, (which will never happen) and it looks like that's what they are trying to do. Like the Standard Oil Company, they put up shop right next door to another competitor and charge cheeper prices for there services, intern driving the out of business. After that they raise there price up high because there is no competition. They even said in the release they we charging $1 less than Cedar Point for both parks, which sounds like WAR. I am just throwing stuffout here, and the idea even sounds goofy to me, but hey you never know, it's Six Flags. Look what they have done so far!
As I mentioned once before with my rollercoaster tycoon scenario, if they don't have money to hire handymen, mechanic's, and security guards I think we will see a park rating of Zero.
Some people have said well SWO people are in this now. One thing I have heard before is SWO Ohio people make good money compared to the SF people. If SF decides to pay them the near minimum wage, I think they will pack there bags. I also have doubts on if they are even going to keep SWO upper management.
That's just the money side again which is only part of the mix. The bigger issue I feel is still If it's just SFO with fish sticks. Only in time we will see if this is the mistake by the lake part 2.
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Joe
The money that Natas brought up is a good point. This is another part which I don't get about PKS in General. They are never going to make a profit with those prices on tickets and season passes, and for a company in debt, low ticket prices won't cut it. They can only fit so many people in that park.
I know people have thrown around the world Monopoly, (which will never happen) and it looks like that's what they are trying to do. Like the Standard Oil Company, they put up shop right next door to another competitor and charge cheeper prices for there services, intern driving the out of business. After that they raise there price up high because there is no competition. They even said in the release they we charging $1 less than Cedar Point for both parks, which sounds like WAR. I am just throwing stuffout here, and the idea even sounds goofy to me, but hey you never know, it's Six Flags. Look what they have done so far!
As I mentioned once before with my rollercoaster tycoon scenario, if they don't have money to hire handymen, mechanic's, and security guards I think we will see a park rating of Zero.
Some people have said well SWO people are in this now. One thing I have heard before is SWO Ohio people make good money compared to the SF people. If SF decides to pay them the near minimum wage, I think they will pack there bags. I also have doubts on if they are even going to keep SWO upper management.
That's just the money side again which is only part of the mix. The bigger issue I feel is still If it's just SFO with fish sticks. Only in time we will see if this is the mistake by the lake part 2.
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Joe
I dont think Cedar Point has much to be worried about. They had their dolphins and aquariums and they are gone now, if these attractions were popular they would still be there. As it was said before people go to Cedar Point because the park is known best for its great coasters, and the way I see it as of now SFA has nothing on them. Camp Snoopy and the petting zoo, is enough to keep the kiddies happy, and if your kids get bored at Cedar Point...well there has to be a problem.
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