Sandusky police investigating accident at Cedar Point near Raptor

Guess you're right. Almost more excited to see the details of the lawsuit than the ride announcement.

Ahh, priorities.

Am I the only one thinking through this entire situation and putting m myself in the position of the dead guy, or any one who is going to climb a fence for that matter. If I am going to be retarded and climb into a restricted area, I would at least be keeping my eyes and ears open so I could see the ride coming and if it came close, to lay down. But then again once he made his decision to climb, all other logic probably went away with his common sense.

Yeah like maybe if for some reason I was in there I would look everywhere but the low kill zone first because maybe then I won't have to worry about ducking.

What a rouse!

while I don't feel the park is at fault, the fact remains that an educated and mature adult was able to enter a deadly area with little effort. Perhaps you'll all see a few corrective and preventative actions Implemented.

Maybe he did duck but it still hit him so that's the reason why he wasn't decapitated?

All the other people who've lost items on Raptor over the past two decades managed to not climb the fence in pursuit of their belongings. Additional preventive measures seem to me unnecessary.

Augustmueller said:
What a rouse!

while I don't feel the park is at fault, the fact remains that an educated and mature adult was able to enter a deadly area with little effort. Perhaps you'll all see a few corrective and preventative actions Implemented.

My blender allows me to touch the moving blades with little effort. Maybe Nutribullet should add more safety measures.

My chainsaw allows me to place my hand right on the cutting chain. Perhaps the manufacturer should add a guard completely covering the cutting chain.

Aside from maybe making it more well known that they actually do collect the items from under rides and the process you need to go through to make it more likely you will get the item back eventually I don't see any real need for improvement. If someone really wants to go over a fence they will.

Augustmueller said:

I love the "obey posted signs" mentality. Because we never break the speed limit, park in the fire lane, dive into a pool, smoke in a building.. Just because the sign states not to. F that sign! If I had lost my wallet, and just a short chain link fence was all that stood in the way.. Oh, and a sign.. I'd have certainly made the same decision.

I do get where your coming from with this part of your argument. Many people don't read or follow warning signs all the time. But the result from my disobedience is my own responsibility. If a train track has it's gates down & I cross anyway-it's my fault if I'm hurt. The fact the gates aren't long enough to stop me from going around doesn't matter. It was clear I was not supposed to move forward. We as a society have to take personal responsibly for our actions.

Now if the train hits me & there were no gates/lights etc. to warn me of eminent danger...that would be the fault of the crossing having inappropriate safety warnings. I do believe that even without a sign, a fence is clear warning to stay out. But again that said, I still feel empathy & compassion for him & his family.

Whatever happened to the days when a fence, of any height, meant keep out? And warning signs were not needed on the fence.

Nowadays, you apparently have to put up signs explaining why you put the fence there in the first place, otherwise it's okay to ignore it.

Then again, speed limit signs are also perfectly clear and yet all day, every day, those are ignored en masse.

It has nothing to do with being warned and everything to do with common sense and personal responsibility.

And unfortunately, you can't teach common sense.

Bluestreaker said:

Whatever happened to the days when a fence, of any height, meant keep out? And warning signs were not needed on the fence.

...and coasters didn't need multiple restraint systems for guests because guests would, of their own volition, remain seated.

The first time I rode Kennywood's Jack Rabbit, many years ago, I was a little alarmed by the ride's restraints: one leather strap with two holes in it that could be hooked onto a peg (so you could choose loose or looser as your level of restraint) and a non-moving bar to grab. It wasn't what I was used to.

Yes Noggin people ignored the "do not stand" sign at the top of Blue Streak and look what that got us...I long for one loose orange seat belt and a silver and white bar but nooooo, some people had to stand up and stick gum and stickers and crap on the cupola so now we're pinned in like Grandma's sewing project. All because people couldn't figure out on their own to keep their butt in the seat and we gave them a sign and they ignored it.

I don't think Bluestreak's seatbelts lock, they are that loose type. Do they lock after the train leaves?

I think the belts lock but even if they didn't the lap bars will staple you in if you don't sit ahead a bit when they are checking them depending on your shape. Instead of sucking in my gut I let it all hang out so they don't try to push it too far so I can still get decent out of my seat air but it's nothing like the old (lack of) restraints.

Don't they have pretensioners like automobile seatbelts?

The seat divider too really kills any enjoyable airtime and makes it even less comfortable of a ride. The belts do lock just like Mean Streak I think they changed to that 5 or 6 years back since I remember riding it with normal belts. It's really just the icing on the cake of the neutering that BS has received due to train modifications in the name of "safety".