Sandusky police investigating accident at Cedar Point near Raptor

This guy is a total moron.

This is such bull.

What ever happened to personal responsibility??

Current signs surrounding the Raptor read: "Warning, Restricted Area, Do Not Enter," and "Authorized Personnel Only." Nemire suggested instead, "Moving Rides Can Kill, Keep Out."

Wow. Do we need signs on roads saying, "Moving Cars Can Kill, Stay Off The Darn Road"?

Knives should say, "Knife wounds can kill. Don't Stab People."

According to the article regarding the Paramount's Great America accident the lawyer representing the teenage rider with the broken leg settled the case with Paramount for $800,000. This incident isn't over, there are many more long term ripple effects that we will all be paying for.

Current signs surrounding the Raptor read: "Warning, Restricted Area, Do Not Enter," and "Authorized Personnel Only." Nemire suggested instead, "Moving Rides Can Kill, Keep Out."

Why do I think that the person who reads a sign saying "Restricted Area, Do Not Enter" and thinks "Well, clearly that does not apply to me" is going to think the same thing when they read "Moving Rides Can Kill, Keep Out"?

How kind of the Plain Dealer to advertise Mr Nemire's services for free.

Here's the thing. In order to put yourself in harm's way, you first have to decide to go near an operational roller coaster. Common sense says to stay far away from heavy objects moving at high speeds.

Next, you have to approach a fence and read a sign that says, "Warning - Restricted Area - Do Not Enter", and decide not to heed that warning.

Then, you have to climb a fence. Fences by themselves mean "stay out". To not do so, to climb a fence on property that is not yours and that you do not have permission to enter, is trespassing.

Finally, you have to walk directly into the path of a very loud roller coaster and either not hear it coming or ignore it.

Someone who is willing to break that many dimensions of common sense and situational awareness will find a way to bypass any precautions you've taken, no matter how extreme.

But, then, this is the "warning label society", where everything must come with clear and present warning signs for anything that maybe, maybe!, could possibly go wrong.

This is just ridiculous. I would hope if it were my loved one that was killed in this incident that I would be able to understand that my loved one was not an innocent victim but made a willing, calculated decision to enter harms way in order to retrieve a lost article. I hope that in my grief I wouldn't lose sight of that.

If someone on here has a cleveland.com account, I wish they would set Advocatus Diaboli straight in the comment section of that new article. Raptor has a decorative 4 foot fence around the perimeter of the ride but the fence the man scaled was the 6 foot chain link fence around the danger zone with the warning signs of Do Not Enter and Restricted Area. That guy keeps harping the he climbed over a 4 foot fence.

So actually that's 10 feet worth of fence total, right? The 4 footer and then the 6 footer?

3snoH un=l said:

That guy keeps harping the he climbed over a 4 foot fence.

Well, technically he's not wrong. It's just that he also scaled a 6-foot fence.

Possibly with the aid of the adjacent 4-foot fence:

Yes, it is understood he would probably have to walk over the 4 foot fence to get to the 6 foot fence. That guy thinks only a 4 foot fence protected the danger area.

ETA: I see what you mean how he could have used the 4 foot fence to get over the 6 foot.

I can't picture exactly where that particular pathway is. Is that in an area guests normally have acces to?

Oh look - Raptors new queue line! ;-)

That goes back to an employees only area, that goes down the side of Chickies and Pete's.

Employees-only backstage area? Seems like plenty enough reasoning for me as a guest to stay out..

I can foresee every coaster getting fresh new "Warning, Do not enter restricted area" signs for the 2016 season. Maybe that's the new announcement :)

Two things stand out and concern me about that area:

1. If the smaller fence is 4', then the 6' fence seems to be installed on about a 1' lower grade than the smaller fence. So, what you have is essentially a 5' fence.
2. Assuming it's not an image color issue, that sign is awfully faded.

Now, let me be clear - there's absolutely no excuse for hopping one fence, let alone two (unless you're rescuing an infant from an attacking bear or something). But I can certainly see where there may be some argument that the park could have been a bit more proactive in keeping guests out of this low zone.

The thing is being a bit more proactive and actually being responsible are to me two different things. I have no problem with the idea of them choosing to beef things up here to do a little more to discourage the next person with poor judgement but that deosn't make them responsible for the last incident. I have no real problem with the author's suggestion that they might consider these precaustions in the future but his insistance that they bear responsibility for not having done so sooner is ridiculous.

Ok, so here's another side to this this new article. Luckily, no one on the ride struck the person but what if someone did? Should someone pay for this person's medical bills and therapy? And who should that be Does the injured bring a civil suit against the estate of the deceased or is CP liable? Six Flags settled for 800K for the injured rider. How liable is CP for other guest's misbehavior, whether it be someone in a restricted area or someone get hit in the head with a cell phone.

Yeah, "WARNING: RESTRICTED AREA. DO NOT ENTER" is enough for me. I would be totally against additional "keep out" measures being taken, but there is a chance of an innocent rider being injured by one of these morons. It might be good to add something more.