Project 2007 Blog Update

Yeah, but you have to admit in the computer world its still awesome to see the peeps in rct3 screams of terror when they come hurteling down at 2182mphon a 210,000,000 foot coaster. ;)

No, I cannot stand the coaster creation in RCT3. Its completely useless. And I'm not dedicated enough (nor do I have enough spare time) to learn NoLimits, but Ultimate Ride is a decent in-between that doesn't completely suck.

Ok, but i do.

Yeah rct3 isnt very good but, its still funny in some situations. My opinion.
*** Edited 8/17/2006 7:12:34 PM UTC by DragonFire***

JuggaLotus said:
If I remember correctly, I think last year (maybe in the offseason) we all but determined that the terminal velocity for a coaster train was around 130. Not to say you couldn't launch it faster than that, but if you let a train fall from a hill (like a real coaster) it will max out around 125-130.

Is that accurate? I wasn't around to read that thread then, and I'm not about to go digging a half hour just to find out. I seem to remember, as an ex-skydiver, that terminal velocity was around 140 mph, but only in 'frog' position. Higher descent speeds could be obtained by assuming more aerodynamic body shapes, i.e., diving (not that I ever got remotely close to trying). But it seems to me that a coaster train, with a higher density due to its steel composition, might have a substantially higher terminal velocity. Anyway, if y'all have figured that all out, I won't deign to question the collective wisdom of this forum. :)

Wait a minute, I just did.

^
Yes I would agree with you that terminal velocity of a coaster train would be much higher than 125. It is much more dense than a human body. Currently, there is no way to accurately 'test' it as advertised without having a track that has a freefall of well over 500 feet, use the same wheels currently used on TTD and KK.

Mikerox527 said:
A 500 ft. coaster whould probably hit speeds of around 140 to 170 mph or more. Judging from that new transition, you would be pulling 7 G's even if its later on in the ride. And that's a little high. I was one of the people that was hoping for a 500 footer, but now I think it's imposible. CP builds nothing but world class coasters (possible exception is Mean Streak) and this one will be no different.
*** Edited 8/17/2006 4:16:44 PM UTC by Mikerox527***

Your velocity has NO affect on the amount of G's you experience unless you consider how quickly you change velocity. G's is a measure of acceleration- a ratio to earths gravity (which is an acceleration in itself).

You can build a 1500ft coaster that pulls less G's than a merry-go-round. The reason is how quickly you are changing velocity.

Without regards to friction, TTD needs 111.78MPH to make it to the top of the tophat (thats at 420ft, where in reality, the elevation from the launch end to the top is only 400ft which would require 109.09MPH). A 500ft coaster requires 121.97 MPH without taking friction into account. Max speed needed would be around 140MPH, taking friction into account and the knowing you want to get OVER the hill with some speed to spare. That type of speed is not unattainable- we are very very close as it is and it can be done with whatever size of G's they want!

THANK YOU TONYMTDEW!!!!!

Now if you could just explain to them that the coaster is not restricted to the confines of the current construction area, we would be set. (btw im not saying that you agree it will be over 500 ft, im saying you believe its possible to build one that is)

The ride will almost assuredly leave its current area because it is very easy to build a coaster over already used parts of a park, look at millenium as it goes over the path, or corkscrew as it does.

they just cant do these sections yet because there are people in the way, so it needs to be done in the offseason. that also applies to work on millennium island, if they were to do work, they would have to fly supplies in so that all of the paths would be left open.

we still have a long time before opening day 2007, and none of us know what it will be, so we all have our own oppinions.

and none of them are already right.

and i did not mean an exact copy of millennium when i said a '525 foot version of millennium' i just meant a similar ride with the overbanked turns, airhills, and what not.

^

I highly doubt that it will be limited to the area that it is. IF it would be, something serious may be in store- serious theming (which CP was never known for until TTD, maybe an enclosure (it would be pretty large...too large to be feasible)...but I must say- Something else needs to happen to this ride other than what is built. It looks quite boring with JUST highly banked turns with no height.

It could very well be very tall, maybe 500ft. But the thing is nothing indicates it will be...at the same time, this is very early construction- something special is in store. Otherwise alot of people may feel let down.

There is one thing I dont want to happen, though I know it probably will. I HATE the OTSR (restraint system) on KK and Storm Runner at Hersheypark. It feels like it could chop your head off as it goes through an element with high lateral G's.

I like your thought process and hope your opinion holds true. This 10ft high coaster so far does nothing for my excitement yet.

EDIT:
There is ONE thing that I forgot to mention that may dispute your theory of 500ft. It is the track that have up aleady- when it goes through a twist, it flips in a fairly short distance which would cause pretty high lateral G's....going even somewhat fast through those elements would be pretty painful. *** Edited 8/18/2006 3:30:06 AM UTC by tonymtdew***

We will see higer speeds, and higher heights, with the development of mag-lev coasters.

Mag-lev coasters? WTH?? LOL yes a mag-lev invert coaster!! Hehe that would be truly scary!

millenniumrox said:
THANK YOU TONYMTDEW!!!!!

Now if you could just explain to them that the coaster is not restricted to the confines of the current construction area, we would be set. (btw im not saying that you agree it will be over 500 ft, im saying you believe its possible to build one that is)

I can guarantee you that NOBODY (credible) here has ever said that it could not be done, but rather that its pretty nonsensical (see also: stupid) to do it right now. There's no real purpose in building a ride that big, other than to be able to say "mine's bigger than yours is!" And CP is beyond that now.

The ride will almost assuredly leave its current area because it is very easy to build a coaster over already used parts of a park, look at millenium as it goes over the path, or corkscrew as it does.

Almost assuredly? Is that like perhaps definitely? Look - until you can show some proof that it appears it will leave the current site, just stop. There are no footers that dead-end along the site edge, and no markings or anything else that would indicate they're preparing to dig holes for more footers elsewhere in the park. And believe me, someone would have "almost assuredly" found the markings if they existed. I mean, look at all the hubbub that tiny block of concrete created on Millie island for proof of that.

they just cant do these sections yet because there are people in the way, so it needs to be done in the off season. that also applies to work on millennium island, if they were to do work, they would have to fly supplies in so that all of the paths would be left open.

You do know that the park closes at night, right? Why in the name of all that is holy would CP have to fly supplies in? Is this Vietnam?

we still have a long time before opening day 2007, and none of us know what it will be, so we all have our own oppinions.

Very true. However, all opinions are subject to scrutiny when placed in the vast expanse that is cyberspace, and baseless opinions are going to get more scrutiny than others. Baseless opinions that have been dutifully shown to be implausible time and again are subject to flamage.

and none of them are already right.

What?

and i did not mean an exact copy of millennium when i said a '525 foot version of millennium' i just meant a similar ride with the overbanked turns, airhills, and what not.

tonymtdew said:^

I highly doubt that it will be limited to the area that it is. IF it would be, something serious may be in store- serious theming (which CP was never known for until TTD, maybe an enclosure (it would be pretty large...too large to be feasible)...but I must say- Something else needs to happen to this ride other than what is built. It looks quite boring with JUST highly banked turns with no height.

They couldn't possibly be planning to test this thing before they open it, could they?

It could very well be very tall, maybe 500ft. But the thing is nothing indicates it will be...at the same time, this is very early construction- something special is in store. Otherwise alot of people may feel let down.

Who's going to be let down? Enthusiasts? CP is worried about disappointing enthusiasts as much as I'm worried about winning the Miss Teen USA pageant next year.

There is one thing I dont want to happen, though I know it probably will. I HATE the OTSR (restraint system) on KK and Storm Runner at Hersheypark. It feels like it could chop your head off as it goes through an element with high lateral G's.

Agreed.

djDaemon said:
You do know that the park closes at night, right? Why in the name of all that is holy would CP have to fly supplies in? Is this Vietnam?

That was f'n hilarious! I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that.

Hmmm....Raptor went over paths that people used but they still started construction before the end of the season....

MF went over paths that people used but they still started construction before the end of the season...

See, there are these things called fences, they keep people out of areas you dont want them to go in. (except the US) If the ride is going to go over a path onto milli island, then why do they need to tear up the path to do work on millie island?

And WTH did the flying in supplies thing come from? They didnt have to fly anything in for TTD or MF or Draggin Iron or Mantis.

If this coaster was going to leave its current location with additional track, you would see stakes where the coaster would have to go.

Reason, they would need to measure and to mark those locations for reference so that everything lines up nicely.

You cannot start to pour footers and then come back to mark other areas and hope they line-up, they do all the planning and markings so that everthing is in alignment.

Now, I wouldn't put it past them to possibly start another ride of some sort after the season, but we will not know until the official announce what their plans are.

Actually, yeah, you can do those things.

That certainly doesn't mean they will though.
*** Edited 8/18/2006 1:50:00 PM UTC by djDaemon***

There is a problem with "maglev" coaster idea- they cant turn quickly, are ENORMOUSLY more expensive to build and run, and they cant change elevation. You need the entire track to be magnetized for the train to make its course, a coaster coasts on everypart but the lift hill or launch. That is a significant amount of less energy needed to run it.

^also, I dont think MF or Raptor started THIS early in the season-

DJ- every coaster goes through testing. there is a significant chunk of time left unaccounted for from what they have built, what looks left to be built, testing, and the amount of time until next season. The rate of progress made so far, with only looking at the footers they have and assuming nothing extra is on hand that we dont know about, this ride could be built, tested, inspected by Ohio Dept of Ag, and opened by Halloween. This wouldnt make sense at all- what is left that the ride needs 7 months extra time? Seeing a ride with no height, just flat unchanging speed is boring to me. I hope the rest of the ride isnt like this.

OH YEAH- one final thing- DJ, you are not Dick Kinzel, you cant make even an educated guess of a statement that CP is PAST higher faster records. IF they are, why was their most recently built coaster the highest and fastest one when it was built?

Thank you djD, for extracting my exact thoughts and turning them into words a couple of posts ago. I rarely have that kind of patience to deal with all this blindeyed nonsense.

Tony - where did you get your information regarding maglev technology?

tonymtdew said:
DJ- every coaster goes through testing. there is a significant chunk of time left unaccounted for from what they have built, what looks left to be built, testing, and the amount of time until next season.

Says who? You? Do you have a copy of the project timeline? Do you know the critical path? The milestones?

The rate of progress made so far, with only looking at the footers they have and assuming nothing extra is on hand that we dont know about, this ride could be built, tested, inspected by Ohio Dept of Ag, and opened by Halloween. This wouldnt make sense at all- what is left that the ride needs 7 months extra time?

Again - you don't really know that. Maybe they want to make sure this ride will actually operate consistently next summer, so they need some extra testing time. Maybe they just don't want to have construction going on during the Winter.

Seeing a ride with no height, just flat unchanging speed is boring to me. I hope the rest of the ride isnt like this.

Well, its a good thing CP doesn't really care what you want, otherwise they'd have a pretty lame park. Having a horde of extreme super-thrill coasters might be fun for you, but not necessarily for a family of 5.

OH YEAH- one final thing- DJ, you are not Dick Kinzel,...

Are you sure?

...you cant make even an educated guess of a statement that CP is PAST higher faster records. IF they are, why was their most recently built coaster the highest and fastest one when it was built?

You do realize that CP has recently installed 2 attractions that were not coasters, right? And, no, I don't know for a fact that CP is beyond the record-setting habits of years gone by, but an educated analysis of the situation certainly indicates that to be the case. And keep in mind that an educated analysis is far more reasonable than guessing based on what YOU want. All I hear from you is "I want this!", "This looks boring to me!", "Low height coasters are no fun for me!!!". Unless you plan on purchasing several million FunDay passes next year, I don't think what you want makes a lick of difference to the powers that be at CP.

tonymtdew said:^also, I dont think MF or Raptor started THIS early in the season-

What does what I said have anything to do with how early in the season something was being built? The park was still open when those rides were being built and the parts of MF that are on the islands were being worked on when the park was still open.

Hey just wondering since I havent seen pictures of it in a while, is the blue tarp covered area still in the staging area? If not, what was found underneath it when it was moved?