Possible theories on enthusiast "disappointment"

That's the whole idea of a rocket coaster...past the tophat, it's sustained speed all the way. That's why there are overbanks...you keep the G's down.

I think it's funny that people want a little bunny hille or something...are they insane? A little bunny hill at that speed would be dangerous. In relation to the size, a bunny hill would have to be like 50-100 feet tall.
I wouldn't mind the figure-8 layout of Xcelerator on the island ending in a huge very highly banked helix.

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I never said that the ride will go until it is slowed down, but until it feels long enough that it is OK to stop. Like on MF, the whole ride is speed. When you finally hit the brakes, you realize that any more, the ride would have lost omse speed, thus not being able to say the ride is pure speed.

For me, I think the order of the elements will somehow go as following.

Tophat, overbank, hill, overbank, hill, helix, brakes. I don't know if that is possible, but for a fast ride like that, I would love to see that layout.

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LeWiS

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PLayerPunk89 said:
I think that the thing that will dissapoint us will be the height.

...over 400ft., then how will it only have 2 or 3 element? I think the ride will somehow be as long or longer than MF.

... A 420ft. coaster would have to have more than two EXTREMELY large overbanks, and would probably have something like that with several hills, if not large ones.

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Exactly. Thank you for finally putting in words why I've been doubting the 400+ mark all along. If it does turn out to be over 400 feet, that's exactly what would have to follow the ride.

And what does all of that add up to? A bigger version of MF, only with a launch. How would the general public view this? "Oh... so they built MF.. built WT.. and they just combined em'."

I, again, would be shocked if the 400+ foot height is true. It would be quite a nice shock, though. ;)

I'm betting on a slightly larger, slightly longer version of Xcelerator. Possibly with a new twist... it's just CP's style (a la' Wicked Twister). I think that's what the big dissapointment is going to be after the announcement. But hey, think back to when MF first announced. Tons of people slammed the design, because it didn't have inversions (which did dissapoint me at first), or could've gone a few hundred more feet, or whatever. I think we've all learned our lesson since then, it's no-question my favorite ride in the park.

Whatever the dissapointment is at first, it will fade. Whatever the ride's details turn out to be, It's going to be "Intamin's 3-Peat at the Point"(C). Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, and whatever's coming for 2003. I say, bring it on.

..end of rant..
[geez.. sorry that was so long. :) ]
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If you want inversions, you have two ways of looking at the situation:

1. Tall Tophat=Lots of Kinetic Energy to dissipate= VeryLarge Inversions

2. Shorter tophat=Less kinetic energy=Tighter inversions.

Collective experience with recent Intamin rides dictates that a ride of this genre and magnitude would be better suited to the 1st configuration. Alpegiest at Busch Gardens comes to mind here. It's 195' tall and has some huge inversions, but damn if it isn't a good ride.

Additionally, if Cedar Point were as obsessed as most of you are with breaking this magical (no pun intended) >400' self proclaimed record of SFMM, don't you think they would do it already. Wouldn't they just build a 410'+ reverse free fall? It would certainly 'compete' with SFMM on their own grounds, rendering the if-it's-a-coaster argument null, and all for a cool 15mil (probably less since the tech. is now proven). With so many viable free fall "substitutes" and high quality greater-than-1-trick-pony rides at the Point, I really think this is a moot point.

Instead, I think this proves exactly why 400' won't happen on this iteration. A coaster at >318' could still be called the World's Tallest full circuit coaster, if that's really all one cares about...

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-Dave Kochman
Pittsburgh

*** This post was edited by DaveTKoch 8/24/2002 3:15:02 AM ***

Of course, if you think about it, somebody is always dissapointed with something. Nothing is perfect. Now, I am sure that there will be a certain aspect that we are going to fall to our knees and drool, and then there will probably be other aspects of the ride that we will end up saying "why couldn't they have done this!!!". You would have thought that Cedar Point went through all of the "thoughts" and put themselves in the shoes of us enthusiasts and park goers to build a ride that most people will enjoy.
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Yellow, white, red.....the disappointment will be that it's sponsored by McDonald's and we'll be riding over the golden arches, the beige supports will be the french fries.

I think this ride will be done by May 2003. I am also hoping it is so I can go in May when the crowds are thin and ride the monster many times. Cedar Point/Fair is a high-class orginization. That is why they would not just put in a 416' freefall ride to end all SFMM competition about tallest whatever. It seems to me that Cedar Point/Fair has the idea of 'do it right or dont do it at all'. All of Cedar Points coasters, for the most part, are very good rides and all broke records at the time of their inception.

On to my next point. Why would Cedar Point overshadow MF already? Well, think about this. If PKI built a 250' woodie next year, or SFMM built a 430' reverse freefall, or the Spaland park built a 350' coaster, would you forget about the other attractions they had? No, you wouldn't. At first you would think about that new huge ride, but then you would think about the whole package they offer. All of the other great rides they have just add on to what would be an amazing experience. SO people, could we please stop all of the overshadowing MF talk already. If you forget about MF that easily, I do not know what to tell you.

I am just happy Cedar Point is getting another ride. Most parks do not get major rides this often and many havent gotten one in years. So, whatever the coaster is, I will be happy and enjoy the ride. I am still thinking 420' 110-mph launch. If I'm wrong I'm worng, but at least we have another coaster to add to Cedar Points' total package.

So your saying that the Woodstock Express broke a world record?

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And all this time I thought I was riding the green train.
5 Raptor 4 WT 3 Superman:UE 2 X-Flight 1 Mille

Well, lets not get juvenile here. In fact, a week ago the PWE captain billed Woodstock as the tallest, fastest kiddie coaster in the world. I would have to say it is a half decent ride too. SoO, yes it did break and still currently hold world records according to a Cedar Point employee. Correct me if I'm wrong.

How tall/fast is Road Runner Express at SFWoA?

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And all this time I thought I was riding the green train.
5 Raptor 4 WT 3 Superman:UE 2 X-Flight 1 Mille

RRE-26 feet, 22mph. WSE-38 feet, 25 mph. Im done with that discussion now. I said most of the rides were record beaking.
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deanne said:
Yellow, white, red.....the disappointment will be that it's sponsored by McDonald's and we'll be riding over the golden arches, the beige supports will be the french fries.

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No, no, no. It's gonna be Guidetothepoint.com:The Ride. The red part is designed to fade just a bit into "GTTP Red." ;)

I for one also agree that ride time will be the "disappointment," yet I am happy with that. Better than no coaster.

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Tim, who hopes to work at Cedar Point one day and understand half of this site.

EDIT: Added to my joke. :)
*** This post was edited by MFRULES 8/24/2002 3:43:58 PM ***

WE is the tallest and fastest kiddie coaster, what constitutes a kiddie coaster I am not sure.

I would rather the ride be closer to 300ft so that more money could go into the overall layout than the first hill.

I think that everyone will be dissapointed that it's not a racer...;)

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LeWiS

For all of you that think it might be short, I read somewhere that there might be 3 trains. Maybe a mid course brake? In my opinion, that would ruin the whole fast from start to finish experience of a launched coaster. Is it possible to have a launched coaster with three trains? I would think so, as long as there is a similar brake run akin to MF's.

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I doubt it would have amid-course brake. I have yet to see an Intamin with a mid-course brake, and I doubt they would start with a coaster that is supposed to be fast.

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LeWiS

California Screamin' is an Intamin coaster and it has at least 5 mid-course block brakes.

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James Draeger
"Make it stop!"
"There goes the body buggy"

Avalanche Run (Disaster Transport) is also an Intamin with a midcourse. I think Player Punk may have been refering to the more recent Intamins.

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-Chris Woodard
Who finally met the infamous Magnum Dan!

Kidding aside, I think it will be the ride time. Even if it was 7,000 feet long, traveling as fast as the rumours have it, it would still be over in a New York minute.....

I was just wondering. how does Jeff know all that stuff about the new roller coaster?