Possible theories on enthusiast "disappointment"

Jeff, as well as others have said that there would be one thing that enthusiasts would *****, I mean complain about. It has been discussed sparsely in other threads but never had a full discussion. I am doing this in hopes that once it is announced, buzzer’s and gttp’ers will keep the complaints down to a minimum. Maybe if everyone plays along, we can imagine the worst so when the announcement comes, we can accept the grandeur of the ride and its imperfections without a single thread entitled "who else is not happy with cp’s 2003 addition???".

Here is what I think will happen. It is a real long shot and maybe not SO bad, but you know a lot of people will complain about it. Actually, this idea came from a dream. I had this feeling that Stan Checketts would co-design a new restraint system for CP’s new coaster ala the vest restraint on the Thrill Shot. This would leave an open feel to the ride, eliminate stapling, and allow it to do inversions.

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I think it will be ride time, not necessarily ride length. I mean if the rumored height is true (looking like it may very well be) then at 110mph+ any distance is going to seem really short. If the coaster was a mile long and traveled 110mph the ride time would be 40-50 seconds depending on how much the velocity changes in the duration of the ride, it would only take 33 seconds to travel a mile at the constant speed of 110mph. In that sense this ride could actually have a longer length than Milliennium, and still have a majorly quick ride time.

Other thoughts...
OTSR's
Lack of airtime
Trim brakes (possibly first drop)

Hopefully it's just the ride time. I's really be happy with an airtime pack, giant, speed-demon coaster even if it was only 30 seconds long.

Off subject note - NoRules, you're sad you have 11 days until school, while I've been in school for 9 already...
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Wait a minute here, while all that may be true (time), I was under the impression that it was simply a presumption Jeff (webmaster) made about the disappointment factor. Correct me, please, if I'm wrong and Jeff (webmaster) does in fact know.

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I still think that we'll have to wait for 2004 for it to open. But if so then the plus side is that it means its so big that it's gonna take so long to build.

I'm not sure, but I do think that Jeff knows exactly what we're all going to be disappointed about...

And ride time is most likely going to be that thing, judging from what we've seen from Xcelerator (and assuming it is the same type...).

I don't think it is going to be lack of airtime, or positive G's or whatever, because we don't know about that stuff yet, and frankly, we won't, until we ride it.

I mean, I'm still wondering if Jeff has led us down the wrong course... If, and I do stress IF, this is a 'dragster,' what's to say that there isn't even a top hat, and this isn't even full circuit? Maybe this IS another S:TE (but with a hydraulic launch instead of a L-whateveritis-M launch). Maybe CP wanted traditional Intamin track (and traditional trains) instead of S:TE's configuration, to sort of, not have there be any question as to whether or not this is a coaster.

That said, I would be disappointed with an updated S:TE clone... :)

(And, I guess, for this to work, you have to completely forget about the yellow support, which seems perfectly akin to the overbanked supports on certain like rides...)

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I'll go along with the running time being at a minimum.

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Jeff has yet top steer us wrong. I am 99.9% sure it will be the ride time...that's what everyone complains about with Xcelerator...and the stapling. :)

No, it will not be for 2004...what the hell gives you that idea?

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Me too, Any 110 mph coaster will be kind of short (in ride time), unless it's insanely long track wise.

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Paul

i think that folks mightbe disappointed by it being similar in elements and layout to MF, albeit bigger and faster...

you know, overbanked turns, immense first drop, etc...

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CP_bound said:

No, it will not be for 2004...what the hell gives you that idea?

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Maybe its so big that it'll take that long to build. If not that then in the middle of the 2003 season. Just a thought.

I doubt that its a S:TE clone. CP already got an Intamin shuttle this year. Besides CP really doesn't consider S:TE to be a coaster. And Jeff (and other people who know waht they're getting) has pretty much indicated that its a rocket coaster. Although I can see why yer worried about it being a S:TE clone. Last time Jeff said we'd be disappointed with what it is. Except this time he said theres something we'd be complaining about. Not that we'll be disappointed with what kinda coaster it is.

It only took like 2 months for all vertical construction on Xcelerator.

This may be a lot bigger, but I still think that it would only take 3 months of full time construction to get it built, but then a month or 2 to test it.

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I am guessing either ride time or OTSRs. I would rather have it be ride time though...

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I think we're in for a letdown height-wise. Not quite the 420 feet we dreamt up, though I may be wrong. Why would Cedar Point want to steal the spotlight away from Millennium Force in such a short time. Possibly around the 250 foot mark? Or it could be the duration. 'Cause as many havev said, to travel a miles worth of trackage at such high speeds, the ride will feel short.

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Here's my thoughts on the whole subject:

It's a given that this is an Intamin rocket coaster, and that means a short ride time. Just look at a video of Xcelerator in operation. I have a feeling a lot of us are going to be thinking "That was it?" when we return to the station.

I'm still skeptical of this thing reaching 400 feet. It's too much, too soon. More power to CP if they prove me wrong and this thing _is_ over 400 feet, but I'm not holding my breath. Maybe I'm doing it so it's one less thing to be dissapointed about.

The other dissapointment possibility (probability?): no inversions. How many big and fast coasters does CP need that don't include any inversions?

My one hope is that the tophat on our model is an inverted one. Again, I refrain from holding my breath on it, though. I wouldn't mind a clone of Xcelerator if the only difference was the tophat was an inversion.

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Please, no inverted tophat! There's no airtime!

EDIT: (Oh, I think I found another possibility)

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*** This post was edited by forcedude04 8/23/2002 10:34:34 PM ***

I would be disappointed with a single element ride like Hypersonic. One big tophat or hill would be very lame in my opinion.

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rawr!

Millennium Force still has a spot light? I guess for the people that still think its the tallest, fastest coaster in the world, it does. But if CP wants the record for height, without dispution, they have to top S:TE. Anyways, I'm guessing the enthusiast's gripe will be with the elements...or lack there of.

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I think the disappointment is the top hat itself...or maybe a lack of a top hat...

-Mikey

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*** This post was edited by olympic10086 8/23/2002 11:34:45 PM ***

Good point Mikey,

We've all been going along assuming top hat all the way, wouldn't that be crazy if there wasn't one at all...

In all honesty I'm pretty sure there will be a top hat, but I wouldn't be let down if there wasn't. I'm sure CP - and Mr. Stengle...- have come up with a thrilling layout either way.

Give me a 115mph launch into a 400ft "Stengle Dive," and then a bunch of other twists and hills. Twould be very nice indeed...:)

I think that the thing that will dissapoint us will be the height. 420ft. seems like kind of an anomaly to me right now, so I am doubting it. I'm not against, and I really would love to ride something like that.

Anyways, here's another point. IF in fact, the ride will be over 400ft., then how will it only have 2 or 3 element? I think the ride will somehow be as long or longer than MF. I also happen to know that CP is smart enough not let a ride end while the ride is just getting going. I don't it would have hurt Xcelerator to be a couple hundered feet longer, but too long and it will seem boring. I think that the reason it would seem boring is in fact that it is only 210ft. A 420ft. coaster would have to have more than two EXTREMELY large overbanks, and would probably have something like that with several hills, if not large ones. I just don't see how CP will end a ride that has only 3 elements or so, while still going at a very high speed. I know they mgiht have to, but if your going to make a 420ft. coaster, why not make it fulfilling and long enough for the thrill to end at just the right time, as opposed to it ending too early, while the speed and thrill is still there?

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