Other New Additions for 2018

I hope so! A bigger, badder out and back would be awesome!

No.

It has become obvious that 90-100 feet or so is as high as you can build a wooden coaster--most of the wood coasters taller than that have gotten/are getting RMC-ed. Any coaster "bigger, badder" would need to be RMC-ed, too.

Some of the other CF parks might add traditional wood coasters but they would not be "bigger badder." (Mystic Timbers is 109 feet, Gold Striker 108 feet, Prowler 102 feet, Renegade 98 feet). The 150 ft+ jobs will be hybrids

What would El Toro be considered than? that's 181' its prefabbed rails but that are wood and a wood structure

Ill tweak my original question a tad, lets take traditional away and include a wood coaster along the lines of el toro meaning no RMA steel type track

According to RCDB only 4 "El Toro-type" coasters have ever been built--only 1 in the US:

Colossos at Heide Park in Germany (2001)

Balder at Liseberg in Sweden (2003)

El Toro (2006)

T Express at Everland in South Korea.

I presume there is a reason no pre-fabs have opened since 2008

I have noticed that also and question as to why as well

Welp, I still love my ST at MiA. I don't care how much it shakes me!

Considering Colossus has been closed for 2 years to retract it due to the unbearable roughness, I thing you have an answer as to why none have been built recently

I know CP likes their records, but at this point most are records of creative definitions. Maverick was hardly a "record breaker" but is regarded as one of the best rides in the park.

The question is whether or not they find the investment worthwhile.

I thought RMC played a major roll in the construction of the pre fabs.

Wikipedia says says they "worked with" Intimain on El Toro and "assisted" them on T Express

Weren't the Intamin pre-fab wood coasters ridiculously expensive? Like mega-steel coaster price tags?

That's correct; when adjusting for inflation to 2016 dollars, El Toro cost Six Flags $30.5 million to build, which is in the same ballpark as both Top Thrill Dragster ($33.4 million in 2016) and Millennium Force ($35.4 million in 2016). For reference, all three are quoted at $25 million when unadjusted for inflation. I imagine this is because of the great similarity in building between the two track types; for both steel coasters and the prefabricated wooden coasters, each piece has to be constructed beforehand (laser-cut in the case of prefab wood coasters), then transported to the building site and added on to the coaster in construction, which is much more logistically intensive than building the coaster on-site, as in non-prefab coasters. When you look at it this way, then the similar costs between steel and prefab wood coasters makes much more sense. For comparison, Mean Streak (one of the largest, most labor-intensive non-prefabricated wooden coasters built) cost $13.4 million in 2016 dollars, which is less than half of El Toro's cost.

Captain Hawkeye said:

Wikipedia says says they "worked with" Intimain on El Toro and "assisted" them on T Express

From what I was told and pictures I have seen RMC did the actual install of the ride

Also, that's interesting about Colossus being retracted, I must have missed that one. El Toro is butter smooth even after 11 years

I would take El Toro over Dragster any day! From what the operator said at the park last year, El Toro hasn't had significant work, if any, since it was built. That ride is fantastic and, in my opinion, would not be a waste of money if it cost $30,000,000 based on the ride it gives and not the materials used to make it. After the first 3 drops, you know this is a precision made ride. When I saw the first turn and thought I was about to get the crap beat out of me, amazingly, it goes into one of the best 180 degree turns I've ever ridden on. Then there are those 3 low to the ground turns that are simply amazing. The transitions on this coaster SHOULD make one realize why this ride costs so much. It's such a perfectly designed ride that for the last hour of 2 nights in a row last summer and for 2 nights in a row this summer, I was able to ride each of those hours without ever have to exit the station by foot and enjoyed every second of it.

This was what I was dreaming that that meeting with Intamin had been about. Wishful thinking.

Zoug68 said:

That ride is fantastic and, in my opinion, would not be a waste of money if it cost $30,000,000

That's because it's not your money. :)

El toro is an air time monster, glad its at my local park lol. Only time I know the ride has issues is during fright fest in the colder temps. when its cold it runs noticeably slower and if its an empty day in the park they will only send the train on with the first three cars fully loaded if they can fill the entire train

El Toro is nothing. Anytime you have a lift hill and you have a turn around in the air before the 1st drop, it takes a lot away from the ride.

Every coaster that was RMC'd was cut down and made smaller, layout did not follow the same route. Cedar Point it taking a coaster that had an awesome layout but turned to garbage because wood coasters of this size got too rough, plain and simple.

This coaster is pretty much following the exact same layout, fabricated taller with awesome inversions and outer bank turns, this will make the Dinn fabricated wooden coaster the best roller coaster in the park, hands down.

You will see 2 hour waits just to get on this thing. To get a great amount of rides on this for 2018, you will need to get a Platinum Pass so you can get in and ride this thing 3 to 4 times before the GP enter the park.

Captain Hawkeye said:

It has become obvious that 90-100 feet or so is as high as you can build a wooden coaster--most of the wood coasters taller than that have gotten/are getting RMC-ed. Any coaster "bigger, badder" would need to be RMC-ed, too.

I guess you're unfamiliar with The Voyage.

Haven't they had to do an awful lot of retracing on it?

Jeff said:

Captain Hawkeye said:

It has become obvious that 90-100 feet or so is as high as you can build a wooden coaster--most of the wood coasters taller than that have gotten/are getting RMC-ed. Any coaster "bigger, badder" would need to be RMC-ed, too.

I guess you're unfamiliar with The Voyage.

Actually, The Voyage is a perfect example in proving his point. I rode it for the first time since it's inaugural year just last week and it was brutally painful. That ride is not the same. It went from a 5 on my Coasterbuzz rating to a 2. I would not be surprised if Holiday World's next major project was an RMC conversion of The Voyage.