Not making it over the top(Something they could do about it)

To each their own I suppose. I was so upset when I first heard there'd be a spiral on the drop. Takes away from the "straight down" feeling if you ask me.

True, but dont you think just two straight inclines with 90° turns is kind of boring. If you ask me I think there should be 2 270° twists....even though I know it wouldn't work.

I don't think it'd be any more boring than it already is. But like I said, to each their own. I'm a sucker for a steep long drop and when you're twisting, you don't get the same feeling. Hell, I'd even bargin for the 270* twist on the way up and the 90* on descent. At least that way I'd get a better view on the way down. But you know what would really be cool? If on the incline it made a left 90* spiral instead of a right and went over the top inverted. ;) Don't act like you've never entertained the idea.... :)

I remember a lot of people entertained the idea a couple years ago when construction was going on.

I kinda agree with RockDown2G, while the 270 degree twist is cool, it does take away some of the height sensation imo. Just as you realize how high you are, you start twisting and totally loose that perspective. With that said, if I wanted a steep first drop (and i do), then MF is just a walk to the other side of the park. TTD is fine the way it is, though the tire idea at the top of the hill would move the line quicker by reducing the rollbacks. Its the time it takes to reset the ride that makes rollback frustrating for those not on the train getting to experience the rollback. When I was there last year the ride was consistently posting a speed of 127 MPH and making it over just fine.

Tom

With that being said, anyone have an idea why this ride is listed as going 120mph if it constantly posts speeds above it apparently as high as 127mph? I would think it would be in Cedar Point's best interest to use the highest possible speed (as they still proclaim Mean Streak to go 65 and I'm pretty sure it hasn't been that fast since it opened). Also, do you think it really is going that fast or the radar is slightly off?

I think they listed it as 120mph because that's the speed that they figured the train would have to go to make it over the top cleanly. But as we all know, it can make it over the top even if its going below 120. They should change the facts to either "120+" or "speed varies from 115-128" or whatever the highest recored speed has been.

A friend pointed out one of the problems they are having. He is a TTD regular.

For some reason, there is about a 2 second delay from the time time you hear the squeeling tires to the actual launch. Then watch the last set of brakes on the section of white track. The brakes are actually up as the train passes over them.

Last Saturday while waiting for it to clear up enough to open, we watched every train. Same thing was happening everytime.

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WNxArchmage said:

and the going over the top of the hill inverted would be sweet, but even better would be not twisting at all on the incline and going over the top sideways.

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That would be a cool idea although I dont think it would work because imagine how bad you would be leaning to the left with how slow you would be going

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WNxArchmage said: what they could try is putting an extra weight on the front of the car, so when it reaches the top, there is extra weight pulling it over and down the correct side.

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I doubt adding extra weight to the front of the train would make all that much of a difference but someone that knows more about the technical aspects of the ride (Dave perhaps) would be a better one to discuss that idea.

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WNxArchmage said:and the going over the top of the hill inverted would be sweet, but even better would be not twisting at all on the incline and going over the top sideways.

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I don't even want to imagine how much that would probably hurt - especially at the slow speed the train generally runs over the tophat...

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S2Kster said:
I doubt adding extra weight to the front of the train would make all that much of a difference but someone that knows more about the technical aspects of the ride (Dave perhaps) would be a better one to discuss that idea.

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Extra weight would definately help the train to make it over. The definition of weight is [the amount of force gravity acts upon an object.] It is simple really, if the Train is on the very crest of the tophat, and there is more weight (force of gravity) in the front of the train, than it will go over the tophat towards the front of the train.

That is why you see the back two rows sometimes not being loaded.

Also, RockDown2G:

I think we already discussed that in another thread. I think we agreed that they basically take the average speed. I am sure that all coasters have a range in speed, there are too many factors e.g.- wheels. wind. So it is really impossible to know how fast the train is going to travel everytime, it is just good to take an average.

I am pretty sure MF has probably even broken 100mph.

I did a search but couldn't find it...someone had a quick site that explained that MF's top speed no matter what was somewhere around 95 mph.

That last row of brakes was sticking up when I was there 6/13-6/19... I said something to the ride ops about it and they said not to worry about it. I hadstarted a thread about it here...

http://www.pointbuzz.com/cpplace.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=14763

edit: added link *** Edited 7/27/2004 3:02:06 PM UTC by Shane Denmark***

They removed the Tires, Wing, and Engine from the back of the cars. Then closed the last three rows on the trains. That did the trick...

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I am pretty sure MF has probably even broken 100mph.

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Just as Craig said, it's impossible, unless there is a huge backwind, pushing the car directly from the rear on the decline. I belive there's a website that says this, and I think Jeff pointed it out awhile back. I can't remember the exact site, though.

-Eagle-

If the speedometer says the ride goes 120 and it actually goes 127 wouldn't that be false advertising.

Maybe, but does anybody care?

I do.

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Gomez said:
If the speedometer says the ride goes 120 and it actually goes 127 wouldn't that be false advertising.

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No, it's not. False advertising would be that Cedar Point says TTD can reach speeds of 120 MPH but he train passes the speedo and it says 119 MPH or less each time.

When they removed the tires, engine, and spoiler from the back of the cars, they added like three rows of seats. Last time I visited, those three rows were closed on each train. Anyone know why? *** Edited 7/31/2004 2:06:09 AM UTC by Huggy Bear***

They added one row of seats in place of the engine, tires, and rear spoiler. You may be thinking of the weeks following Media Day '03 where the trains had the tires, spoiler, and engine, but were also short an entire car. Every now and then they close off a few of the back rows. My guess is because its running crap-tastically and they get too many rollbacks. They do usually try to run a full train normally. *** Edited 7/31/2004 5:47:34 AM UTC by RockDown2G***