News: Cedar Point blog shows footers at WWL site

I mentioned this before, but Ill repost it again, in a different way.

Dlinator...very nice, well though out post...

I also thnk Frontier Town will be remade. My thought, though, is that the "look" of SkyHawk really represents the future of Frontier Town. That is, many have complained at its color scheme, stating that it "does not fit in". Personally, I think that is the point. It does not fit in in 2006 because the "big picture" looks a lot like SkyHawk...the red, the blue, the white...the "Americana" turn-of-the-century type symbol...i think this is the future of Frontier Town....more of an Americana early 1900's feel.

Time will tell.

Cedar Fair CEO and president Dick Kinzel said originally the park was considering a new water ride for the 2005 season, and that would have been in Frontierland. Kinzel said the park typically likes to keep water rides in one section so guests aren't walking around the park wet.

I'm sticking to this statement. I really hope the park has decided to construct a more modern flume for the WWL site.

We're going over 500 feet in 2007. Cedar Point is ready to take us there. I'm expecting 8000 feet of track, 140mph, and 525 feet high.

Big expectations there.......I for one am just curious to see if it can be done. The thing that keeps popping in my head is how they would get those track and support pieces that high. The cranes used on Dragster (and Kingda Ka) are 480ft and they're the tallest of their kind in the world. SO what else can get 500+ feet?? As much as I would like to see a height and speed breaker, I don't think we have the right resources just yet.

I DO believe it can be done, but the costs to pull it off would be astronomical.

*** Edited 4/17/2006 3:42:30 AM UTC by TTD 120mph***

Heights like that would require a Tower Crane. Something that is fixed in place, not on crawler tracks.

But while looking, I did come across this model from Manitowoc that sounds like it could reach a height like what were talking about and its on crawler tracks. But if it could lift the weight of track that high, I’m not sure, but I don't see why not.

*** Edited 4/17/2006 4:17:15 AM UTC by 99er***

If pyramids can be built 500 feet tall then so can rollercoasters, j/k, but I think the technology is there, the thing I wonder more about is how will it get you to 500 ft.? Of all the companies that are out there only one company has said they can go 500 ft. and that is S and S with the thrust air model. However I really don't see this coming in to Cedar Point any time soon. Im sure Intamin would deliver but do we really just want another version of TTD? Just taller? I really don't see a 500 ft. lift hill coming any time soon,it almost has to be launched.

I really think that we might be getting a flyer or floorless. I originally thought 4-D but I had a change of mind. Cedar Fair is having a love affair with B and M and looking at the coasters they have built they already have done a Floorless with B and M and they have recently done an invert. No Flyer though. I believe this is what they are saving for Cedar Point. I think that Cedar Point is there main park and they want to give it the newest and freshest idea. The only thing that has me kinda doubting a flyer is Geagua Lake not far away with a flyer of their own, they also have a floorless, so if they don't want to put the same type of rides to close together at sister parks then that rules out a lot of ideas.
*** Edited 4/17/2006 4:39:36 AM UTC by jthoff***

Here are my 2 biggest problems with 500' coaster:

1. Skyline - Something dwarfing Dragster, and having a lift hill, will probably look a bit ugly.
2. Speed - Think if squinting during the launch of Dragster... you'll be going even faster on something taller, which means a lot of wind blowing at you.

Intamin has said that their lift system used on MF will work up to 750 feet. In order to fit it in that area, they could just increase the lift angle. The lift hill would be ugly? Have you heard any complaints about MF's lift hill, because I've only heard compliments. If they were to go 500 feet, it would have a lift hill similar to MF, in my opinion.

BigDog said:
We're going over 500 feet in 2007. Cedar Point is ready to take us there. I'm expecting 8000 feet of track, 140mph, and 525 feet high.

We're going way out in left field on that assumption.

TTD 120mph said:

The thing that keeps popping in my head is how they would get those track and support pieces that high.

It's nothing different from building a sky scraper.

New flume for 2007. :)

jthoff said:
Of all the companies that are out there only one company has said they can go 500 ft. and that is S and S with the thrust air model. However I really don't see this coming in to Cedar Point any time soon. Im sure Intamin would deliver but do we really just want another version of TTD? Just taller? I really don't see a 500 ft. lift hill coming any time soon,it almost has to be launched.

I really think that we might be getting a flyer or floorless. I originally thought 4-D but I had a change of mind. Cedar Fair is having a love affair with B and M and looking at the coasters they have built they already have done a Floorless with B and M and they have recently done an invert. No Flyer though. I believe this is what they are saving for Cedar Point. I think that Cedar Point is there main park and they want to give it the newest and freshest idea. The only thing that has me kinda doubting a flyer is Geagua Lake not far away with a flyer of their own, they also have a floorless, so if they don't want to put the same type of rides to close together at sister parks then that rules out a lot of ideas.

First off: Cedar Point won’t go with any kind of launch coaster, which we can be certain of. But don't go bringing Dragster into comparison. If Intamin were to build the next monster how can you say it'll be just like Dragster? What if it has the reliability of Millennium? I'd say Intamin is pretty good at coming up with new ideas for going to the next level. So what if they already came up with a workable model?
If anything, look more towards comparing Millennium to a 500 footer because I think that Dragster and Kingda Ka have proven that going to great heights with hydraulics is a "not so" reliable system. Many bugs have to be worked out before it becomes a trustable system. Dragster is improving really well.....but Kingda Ka isn't doing so well for its second year. Only time will tell if it gets better. But I don’t think Intamin wants to build any more monster hydraulic launchers (excluding Stealth and Zaturn), especially with all the problems they have been faced with.

Second: I will say this again, don’t just think of what types of coasters Cedar Point doesn’t have yet. Think of what KIND of coasters they (and the company they're working with) can come up with. So I don’t think we'll see a flyer or floorless because Geauga Lake has both and I just don’t see Cedar Point getting something that already exists at a sister park. I'm betting on something new and wild.....something never before seen. As for the company, I'm not ruling Intamin out because of Dragster. I will say S&S, B&M and Intamin are our best bets. Will it be 500+ feet?....I'm not ruling that out either, but whatever it is, I'm betting it'll break something.:)

I'll say it again: It's gonna be a water/hybrid coaster. The next generation "flume", if you will.

Just a hunch, on my part.

MrScott

I had a dream last night that cedar point put a dark ride in wwl area :)

ahah it was kind of funny cuz i woke up and said "It won't work"

:) off topic..sorry..back to the 2007 coaster...I HAVE NO IDEA but I don't really want to know. I want to be surprised :D

I'm glad I don't live at the Scott house. But I'm siding with the Mr. at this point.

I wonder what it is? Do you think it can be a new WWL ride?

hey mr scott i thought you posted twice also... someone is a "clone"..lol

Its really hard to say what is going into the old WWL site. 500 ft. is possible but I really don't think they will go 500 this soon. Then again no one thought they would go 400 ft. so soon. I however just don't think they are going to build a flume back there. If they do it will be one of the Intamin super flumes or whatever they are called but I just don't seeing Cedar Point getting one of these because they seem to be unsafe because I believe twice now someone has died on one. I really don't think a log flume needs as much space as is back there and they wouldn't go through the trouble to move the train tracks and everything. If they were going to put in a flume then why would they take one out it just doesn't add up.

A water ride just won't deliver large crowds to the back like a coaster would. I believe either a B&M or 4-D.
*** Edited 4/17/2006 11:39:20 PM UTC by jthoff***

I've said it a billion times but whatever... It will be a B&M Floorless under 200' with atleast 7 inversions in an origional sequence...

I also think a new pathway with some food places and some flats will be coming eventually too.

If you can find the post with the picture I edited showing my idea of that area you'll understand what I mean... What the hell... I'll put it up again, both actually...

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9485/untitled1ei.jpg

The coaster starts at the Station, and does a 'Jo-Jo Roll' before the lift, then does a twisting drop and exits under the pathway, then a cobra roll into a Z-G-roll which exits into a Immelman which leads to either a Dive loop(making it look like a giant cobra roll) or another Immelman... after that it does a loop, then flies into a MCBR which leads to a Flatspin to a turn then another Flatspin then the Brakes... The other areas speak for themselves...

I think that'd fit in that area, but it would be very compact and wouldn't break any records, which leads to my second idea...

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2829/wwlsitetrain5pm.jpg

I'm not going to go into a whole lot of detail, but it would break the hight/speed record for Floorless and a world record for inversions(12) And would almost not fit in that area, but would leave room for a new pathway, food places, small flatrides... and (hopefully) wouldn't have to sacrifice any of the surrounding area...

Now my arms very tired..

P.S Honestly, who really thinks they'd bother building over 200'?

EDIT: I edited that 'Record Breaking' Floorless Pic... http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4769/wwlsitetrain9jt.jpg Black boxes shows where Food or Rides could go, Red is the Coasters Queue Line(WWL old queue) It's Obivious Where the Path is...

*** Edited 4/18/2006 1:09:38 AM UTC by Screamomatic***

Although those are very crude depictions, I think they are pretty cool. :)

I really like your idea of the footpath with the cobra roll going underneath it Scream, but I just can't see them putting two floorlesses at two sister parks so close together. Then again a flyer is pretty much the same as X-Flight...im not sure if thats still what it's called even though I see B&M if it is a flyer being the company. Maybe it could be just a regualy B&M sitdown looper. I do kinda think that what ever it may be it will have inversions. Cedar Point now has the second most coasters but not even close to the recored for most inversions in one park if im not mistaken, maybe the inversion recored next year?

I doubt that this is possible.. but what about the idea of a 4d coaster? I mean..it would be something very rare..I believe the 3rd one in the entire world..and that looks like a great spot for one? Its not at any other Cedar Fair park. I know it wouldn't be a b&m but still..its an idea? :)

I bet its out of the question..Oh well thinking outside of the box..