News: Cedar Point blog shows footers at WWL site

Most people in the GP are completely unaware that GL and CP are owned by the same company anyways. I dont think their choice of park would necessarily be hindered because of loyalty issues..

I agree about CP breaking records and not necessarily height and speed but rather for the type of coaster. Since Magnum it has been: 1(Magnum) height and speed over all, 2-3(Raptor, Mantis, Mean Streak)- height and speed for its kind, 4(Millennium)- height and speed over all, 5(Wicked Twister)- height and speed for its kind, and 6(Top Thrill Dragster)- height and speed over all. It's not a patter or anything.

And don’t go around saying that if it’s a 500+ footer that it'll have extreme downtime and that CP doesn’t want anymore "one trick ponies" because you never know what they can and will do. How do we know that it won’t be a totally new kind of coaster never before seen? What if it's a 500footer that works perfectly with the space given? What if the coaster goes beyond the WWL site? We just don’t know.....and that's what makes speculation so much fun.:)

CP is full of surprises and I agree that they are out for uniqueness....but it's its uniqueness that will determine if it's a never before seen/first of its kind, or one of a kind for its type.
So instead of limiting the choice to "what type of coaster they haven’t built yet" maybe we should think of "what kind of coaster they can and are capable of building" or "what kind of coaster they can come up with that hasn’t been done yet".

Well put TTD120mph

What if CP came out with this coaster:

http://www.rcdb.com/ig3185.htm?picture=2

i do not know what to think of that..

Me too.

500+ coaster, to me, means a good 135 mph drop (estimate, but educated guess). For anyone who's ever went skydiving, 120 mph is the average horizontal fall, and 160 is terminal for veritcal. In either case, you really NEED goggles. TTD hits 120, but it's not an extended period of time.

If CP were to try to break this height barrier, my experiences would tell me these would have to be an available commodity, otherwise there's not much to see with your eyes squinted nearly completely shut. On the other hand, some people are good at taking that wind...

That, and a 500' lift hill of any kind would be so huge, the skyline would look dramatically different. Dragster got away with it because it's only one hill, but in all seriousness, that's not the most visually appealing ride ever.

I really think we should stop comparing a 500 footer to Dragster and think more along the lines of Millennium. I'm not saying it'll look like it or that Intamin will build a 500 footer. I’m saying that Millenniums cable and angled lift would be my best guess as to what a 500 foot coaster would use. As far as advancements in coaster technologies go, a cable lift with a steep angle(at least 50°) is the best bet. But like I said, it's impossible to know what CP has up their sleeves. Who knows, maybe a new system has been engineered to accommodate such a large scale coaster. Advancements in support technologies (specifically for a 500 footer) is a possibility as well. They could even design the trains to reduce wind shear (if that’s what you would call it) to the rider.

The possibilities are endless!!!:)

MF Man that idea was already brought up somewhere around here. Same with everything everyone is saying. The off season is getting so long that all we do is say something for the first time and then repeat it another 18 times to keep us occupied for 6 months.

I talked to one of the BGT planning folks and it is my impression from that conversation that B&M agreed not to build another Dive Machine in the SouthEAST US for an uspecified lenght of time.

I guess I'm getting old but I'd much rather see a great flume ride than another coaster. While Hulk and Dueling Dragons are great rides I enjoy IoA more because of Dudley Dooright's and Pluto and Popeye's raft ride.

MF_Man said:
What if CP came out with this coaster:

http://www.rcdb.com/ig3185.htm?picture=2

I've heard they're rough and capacity looks like a problem. They don't appeal to me either.

Even if its new, the design will be a proven design. TTD was brand new and it was a proven design. Xcelerator proved that the design and idea were effective. TTD was just tweaked a whole bunch.

Im also thinking that if it is in fact a coaster being put in to that space, it will have a longer layout than their previous offerings. Also, the yo-yo swings have footers. Water fountains probably have footers ;-)

Kevinj said:
I also dont think a dive machine would be 500 feet...not even close....but it would be enough to break the record, which even 250 would do.

Maybe im wrong, but isnt a dive machines seats like a floorless? I mean, I know they are wider, obviously, but I thought they were actually "floorless" seats.

The reason I dont think it will be a water coaster is all up there already. To add to it, I dont really know what more could be done with a "water coaster" that hasnt been done already. It seems like a concept that has more or less flopped in the industry.

Look at the end of Sheikra...theres water! :)

The trains aren't floorless, they have a bottom. I would actually eqate them more to a standup train, just WAY wider, and of course sit-down.

And as to the water effect: It makes great visuals, but while on the ride you don't get wet, not do you even notice the water plumes unless you're in the back row. It looks great from the midway though.

I still think a dive machine is the best possibility. it could be EASILY themed to Fronteir town, and would provide a really nice ride. I also bet CP would out in a new element never odne of a diver before.

Ive been struggling with the fact that in my little rant the other day I forgot to include the possibility of a 4-d coaster. (someone actually emailed me and said they liked the logic except for that). Apologies...

However, I still think points one and two are quite strong, leading to a steel coaster...but the more input I got from others the more I realized that I think it truly is anyones guess as to whether that would be a diver, a flyer, a floorless, or a 4-d.

All would offer something truly unique to the park...and while I personally hope the dive machine is on its way, I would eagerly look forward to either of those 4 options, as they break records for their own personal category, and give all of us a ride we've never had at CP.
*** Edited 3/15/2006 6:24:19 PM UTC by Kevinj***

Personally, I hope it is not a 4-D coaster. It would seem that such a ride would be the polar opposite of a family-friendly ride, since it seems to cater to the more hardcore thrill rider. Also, anyone with a tendency toward motion sickness would be excluded. Add in the fact that the capacity has yet to be improved and that there are some mechanical issues, and I see nothing but a low-ridership headache for CP.
*** Edited 3/15/2006 6:20:41 PM UTC by djDaemon***

I also would put 4-d at the bottom of the list.

The very bottom. :)

But...S & S is building that new one in Japan, and perhaps there are changes that we are simply not aware of currently. I cannot imagine that reliability of the new ride would not be very high on their list. Well, im sure it always is...but it just hasnt panned out perfectly lately in that regard.

Ill still root for the dive machine.

I keep wondering what website Jeff was browsing through when he saw a post that got it right.

Those who know...dont talk. :) While those of us who dont ruminate in our imaginations. :)

If I were a betting man, I'd say he saw the post here, here, here or here. But, I really have no clue at all, so...

But, I know he's been here lately, and hasn't been posting (in this thread at least). And he has probably been reading through here and laughing his fool head off.

EDIT

If you have a grotesque amount of free time on your hands, you can troll through the above sites' 2007-related forums, logging every single guess made prior to the post Jeff made. Then, cross-reference those guesses with every guess made here before that point, eliminating those as possibilities. Whatever you're left with should give you an idea.

Of course, there's always the possibility that what Jeff said was a play on words. For instance, he said he saw the correct guess somewhere else. However, he did not say that he didn't see it here.

Good luck.
*** Edited 3/15/2006 6:40:59 PM UTC by djDaemon***

Whatever CP is getting has already been decided, and I think after TTD they are little shy about getting burned by an unproven design. I think they'd wait until S&S's new one has been operating before deciding if a 4d is the right choice. And I highly doubt they'd buy an Intamin version.

^ I agree they wont get an intamin coaster fo a bit, but if you have been reading other news about X it's having problems with there trains. The only good news i heard from a roller coaster company is B&M so i think CP might stick with that.

Grovite18 said:
Something I have never seen is a half-loop, complete barrel roll (inline twist) and an exit of another half-loop. Kind of like a cobra roll, except you would continue in the direction you entered the inversion afterwards, and it is more linear instead of "broken" with half corkscrews.

Anyone see what I'm trying to say? lol.

That element is actually on the SLC. So Thunderhawk at GL has one.