News: Cedar Point blog shows footers at WWL site

While MF get close to vertical, it is only very briefly. Dive machines stay vertical for much of the descent. And while TTD is vertical, its a whole different breed of thrill ride.

A 500' dive machine would likely be next to impossible, I'd say, since the transition to horizontal would be quite massive. And why would they go to 500' for a dive machine, when they could break a record by going 250'?

I refer back to my point 3: CP breaks records.

As has been mentioned before, CP doesnt seem solely concerned with having the worlds tallest, fastest, coaster. Rather, CP breaks records for whatever ride they build. Skyhawk is an excellent example (as is Raptor, Mantis, and Wicked Twister). Those latter coasters certainly didnt challenge any "overall" records, but smashed those in their category. So no, a dive machine certainly would not be expected to go 500 feet.

djDaemon: Yes, sorry for not being more precise. I ment that the two right side and two left sides of rebar aren't parallel to each other. That being said, I don't think that its say a hammerhead/cobra roll/station set up for footings because the supports would be to close together which would cause clearance issues if track was placed right on top of those columns. However, it could be some type of diagonal support footing; as in two horizontal bracing structures meeting on one large rectangular footing.

I agree that whatever is placed on them will most likely be round. I was saying that just because they are round doesn't mean that what sits on them will be round. I've seen plenty of I beams sitting on round footings.

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm trying to shoot down all possiblities of it being a roller coaster. I am a civil engineering student, that just finished up my foundations class, and its hard to listen to people compare a couple slabs of concrete with footers in very different environments. *** Edited 3/14/2006 7:26:28 PM UTC by Kyle S***

Well put, Kyle S...I dont for an instant think its simply the footer that leads to a coaster, its everything put together. See point 1 above...ha. :)

I still dont think a dive coaster is on order for CP. My only reason is that, with WT, and TTD being kinda "one trick ponies" why would CP put themselves in the boat yet again to build a ride like that.

Though, a dive machine would be cool, I just dont see how it would fit into that area of the park. Unless they made a whole seperate area with a Mine theme to go along with CCMR. Hence, diving down into an abandoned mine.

I still think a floorless or a flyer are the two best options at this point. I really like the break down you did Kevinj.

Even if CP were to get a DM, (which I don't think they will. It has been said time and time again, that it would be extreemly difficult to have anything go underground at Cedar Point with their high water table. So in all likelyhood, they would have to build it above ground, which would kind of defeat the hole idea of a DM. imho

Jason Hammond said:
So in all likelyhood, they would have to build it above ground, which would kind of defeat the hole idea of a DM. imho

No pun intended of course... ;)

Why does a dive machine have to go underground?

Whats wrong with it not going underground? It still dives, does it not? *** Edited 3/14/2006 8:28:38 PM UTC by Coastern3rd***

It doesn't have to go underground, but it looks best if it does.

If a DM was built above ground, i would hope that it would stop at cloud level and then dive.

Exactly. It could go a little underground if they needed it to...but why cant a dive machine just....dive? Perhaps just a "hole" (half in half out) at the very bottom, if one at all.

Like Jason said, with the high water table going underground at all is pretty much out of the question. Tunnel at the bottom? Maybe, but I don't think you'd see it actually going underground.

One word: Sheikra.

A diving coaster does not need to go underground like Oblivion does. So, for myself anyway, the "water table" doesnt decrease the odds of a diving coaster, but it is noted :). That still leaves point 4 more or less solid: diving/floorless: although I still argue Diving has a big advantage due to X flight and Dominator. With a diving, you can help CP and leave the unique features of GL untouched by local competition.

Smash453 said:
I still dont think a dive coaster is on order for CP. My only reason is that, with WT, and TTD being kinda "one trick ponies" why would CP put themselves in the boat yet again to build a ride like that.

I rode Sheikra down at BGT earlier this year, and I sure didn't consider it a "one-trick pony", I mean, the drop was the best part, but the two inversions were great too... I could easily see a dive machine in the 200 foot area with 5 inversions coming.

And Sheikra doesn't go underground.

Precisely.

I think Ive done a good job of throuroughly convincing myself that that is what we are getting. Ha.

:)

The only advantage I could see of a Dive Machine coming to Cedar Point would be bringing more people back to that area of the park. You guys forgot a ride. Power Tower! While it lasts like less then 30 seconds, it's still a good drop/thrust up ride. I love this ride better then Demon Drop. You guys brought up the point of a 500 foot Dive Machine and I was thinking, wouldn't that be a little too extreme? You'd almost have to design something similar to Top Thrill Dragster, so to me that's not in, but I could be wrong. Now like I've said before it could be a watercoaster because of how Cedar Point kept the White Water Landing Station up. The only thing is they would have to remodel it during the summer for whatever coaster is going in there. Now I really like your idea Kevin, but just because Geauga Lake has a Floorless doesn't mean Cedar Point cannot have one. Maybe Cedar Point could do something uniqe and build a vertical drop on a floorless and have the record for it.

I also dont think a dive machine would be 500 feet...not even close....but it would be enough to break the record, which even 250 would do.

Maybe im wrong, but isnt a dive machines seats like a floorless? I mean, I know they are wider, obviously, but I thought they were actually "floorless" seats.

The reason I dont think it will be a water coaster is all up there already. To add to it, I dont really know what more could be done with a "water coaster" that hasnt been done already. It seems like a concept that has more or less flopped in the industry.

Look at the end of Sheikra...theres water! :)

I keep reading about how CP wouldnt get a particular ride because Geauga Lake has one. I find that to be totally untrue.

If the attendence of GL and CP were compared, obvioulsy CP would crush GL in every aspect. CP already knows people are going to come to the point. Family ride, water ride, thrill ride or not, when they say "New for 2006, 2007, etc etc.." it has a residual effect where, anyone that has even a notion to come to CP probably will.

I forget who said this, as I could not find it, but CP IS known for their roller coasters. Not so much for their lush, relaxed family rides. Just because CP decides to build, lets say another floorless, how would that affect GL?

GL has an impules, CP has an impulse. I think the discussions on this forum are a lot more constructive than what I have read elsewhere. I still think its not a dive coaster. I hope I am wrong tho.

::: not trying to hi-jack this thread. if it seems that way, my apologies.
*** Edited 3/15/2006 12:43:49 AM UTC by Smash453***

I hope youre wrong too. :) And I agree that just b/c GL has it isnt a good enough reason....but its the best argument I could think of to lead more towards a diver than the others....b/c thats what I want! :)

All the opinions and thoughts are great. It's interesting to see the thoughts and ideas (and dreams) of what people think and want to go in.

About the DM. Seems logical. It would be a nice addition. They would have to fit it into the mine theme but I think it could be done.

As for my guess. I think they just want us to get all hyped up to unvail.....(drumroll) the next flat ride. Sky Swatter. (I wrote that sarcastically but now that I think about it I wish they would have built that instead of skyhawk)