New track on the webcam.......again.

Ah yes, well, it seems lack of knowledge is a key player in the stupid occurences that happen these days...

So what, Doug, her mom knew that there may be something up but let her go anyway, or what? That seems kinda dumb...

Well, I guess she had had some tests done, but, as to whether there would have really been any concern prior to the return of the results, I don't know.

For you Rock'n Rollercoaster Fans, here is the link to the same ride at Walibi World. http://www.rcdb.com/ig769.htm?picture=8

Cool to see it with out the building and THANK GOD it is not the same as Outer Limits or else I would have no neck left :)

Honestly, I'm not saying anything is definite in this case. I really don't know, I'm experiencing a lack of info on my part. If there was indeed suspicion, then there is definately something wrong. Otherwise... What were the tests for that would have picked up something else wrong?

Hmm...

^^From what I hear, it's better indoors. :)

*** Edited 8/25/2006 4:34:47 AM UTC by DBCP***

Joe E said:

Pete said:
I'm actually very surprised that this ride has an inversion. I think one or two inversions will be it, I highly doubt this ride is a multi-looper in the conventional sense. I'm still thinking AquaTrax, now with a new twist.

Thats what I've been thinking since day one. The turns, hills, now even this inversion don't seem to have traditional long gracefull parabolic flows of a Intamin Looper. At the very least it doens't seem like a long train will navigate through there well as the speed differences between front/middle and back will be great. Still it could be anything really, even a Intamin Looper with a long train ;).

There are no differences in speed between cars on a train. The train moves together and therefore has the same velocity throughout. However, acceleration can be different, but not significantly.

Not significantly? How about the difference between the front and back- top of a lift hill, the front hangs over the edge waiting for the center of mass to reach the apex then is accelerated downward no greater than 32 feet per second squared relative to angle of descent and dont forget friction. From the back though, the back is still going 'up' the lift hill, is pulled up as the center of mass reaches apex, continues the acceleration AS IT CHANGES DIRECTION from an upwards motion to over and down the hill. They are very significant differences in acceleration.

halltd said:
Yeah I wouldn't count people dying of medical conditions as a fatality on their ride. If the thing crashed, then sure. I think Disney is REALLY safe. Their rides are made for the entire family.

Except for when Disney coasters crash. Big Thunder Mountain crashed 2 or 3 times, killing someone in the first crash. Then there was the California Screamin' crash. Oh, and the cleat failure on the Disney boat that hit someone in the head and killed them.

Cedar Point is far above Disney in safety, in my opinion of course.

lettuce said:

There are no differences in speed between cars on a train. The train moves together and therefore has the same velocity throughout. However, acceleration can be different, but not significantly.

While the train will be moving at the same speed as a whole, as the train passes a certain point on the track (say halfway down a hill), different cars will experience different forces and speeds. When the front of a train passes this point on a down hill the train is still accelerating. By the time the back car reaches this point the train is moving faster.

If you think these changes brought by acceleration / deceleration are not “significant,” take a ride in the back seat of Magnum and compare to a middle.

tonymtdew said:
Not significantly? How about the difference between the front and back- top of a lift hill, the front hangs over the edge waiting for the center of mass to reach the apex then is accelerated downward no greater than 32 feet per second squared relative to angle of descent and dont forget friction. From the back though, the back is still going 'up' the lift hill, is pulled up as the center of mass reaches apex, continues the acceleration AS IT CHANGES DIRECTION from an upwards motion to over and down the hill. They are very significant differences in acceleration.

Thanks for the middle school physics explanation. I think of significant as being on the order of 3 or more Gs, and the difference from front to back certainly is not.

Joe E said:

lettuce said:

There are no differences in speed between cars on a train. The train moves together and therefore has the same velocity throughout. However, acceleration can be different, but not significantly.

While the train will be moving at the same speed as a whole, as the train passes a certain point on the track (say halfway down a hill), different cars will experience different forces and speeds. When the front of a train passes this point on a down hill the train is still accelerating. By the time the back car reaches this point the train is moving faster.

If you think these changes brought by acceleration / deceleration are not “significant,” take a ride in the back seat of Magnum and compare to a middle.

Different cars do not experience different speeds. They do experience different velocities at different points on the track, which is what I believe you're trying to say. I've ridden Magnum plenty of times to feel a significant difference in ride sensation, but I assure you there is no significant difference in terms of Gs. See above for more on that.

Hey guys Drew here I am pretty....intoxicated....if any of you are from cleveland you know of spybar and I just returned home from there. But I just had the need to make the post lol I <3 CP no flaming meeeeee just because I am drunk. I am kind of sad in the inversion though, I wanted an Xcelerator type or Rite whatever. I am sure it will be awesome nonetheless.

I guess this is as good a thread as any to post in. I've not been keeping all that up-to-date and I'm getting tangled up in all these threads about other threads and making new threads and how you should only start a new thread if its a thread about not making threads. Whew...I just gave up looking for specific answers. So what are the known facts up to this point? As far as I can tell, all that can definitively be said about this thing is:

1) It's an Intamin with red track and tan supports

2) Has at least one inversion

Am I missing anything? With the new inversion in place is it possible to say for certain that a train can navigate this track in only ONE direction? In other words, from the track that is now installed is it possible to tell the direction in which the train/cars will travel? Also, is it fair to say that most people here believe that this will be a launched coaster?

magnutxl200 said:

from the track that is now installed is it possible to tell the direction in which the train/cars will travel?

At this point it would have to be a wild guess. I thought that when they put up the hill I would be able to tell but the supports look the same. the inversion is bigger but that doesn't mean the train can't the hill first. only time will tell.

most people think it will launch (myself included) but that doesn't mean it will.

They should just tell us so we can stop guessing stuff that 75% of the time we are wrong at.
*** Edited 8/25/2006 6:38:59 AM UTC by Thriller Rollercoast***

The only thing I can think that would exclude an Aquatrax coaster at this point is examination of the footer heights compared with the midway height near the construction area. I personally think an aquatrax would be great, but is there part of the ride zone low enough to be filled with water in that area for the splashdown?

Also, my $.02 in regards to the argument about speed and train length - of course if the HILL is large enough, at some point the whole train descending will be going the same speed but, ESPECIALLY on longer trains, there IS a significant difference on where the forces affect and effect the ride experience in regards to acceleration and deceleration. If you are in the back you reach the highest speed for a drop in a TOTALLY different spot of the track than the front. As they say in airtime 101, the front of the train loses substantial momentum AFTER the apex of the hills, the back of the train loses momentum APPROACHING the apex of the hills. I personally prefer the sensation at the back of the train PULLING me out of the seat as the train DESCENDS the hill, but others prefer the negative g lift as the train CRESTS the hill that the front of the train experiences. Of course the shorter the train and/or the less deceleration experienced due to smaller height change (bunny hops) the more similar the sensation will be throughout the train. But long trains with large hills that cause SUBSTANTIAL deceleration have much different rides in the front vs the back of the train. And since most coaster trains have at least 12 rows of seats on them and hills that substantially slow the train down, the majority of rides will have major different force experiences throughout the train.
*** Edited 8/25/2006 7:01:22 AM UTC by StLCPfan***

If this ride is an AquaTrax, it is very short and small considering that Atlantis Adventure packs in 4:30 worth of track in a area half the size of P2007...

Atlantis Adventure is only 2198' in length. CP's new ride should easily beat that.

Do they ever change the veiw of the cam? If not it would be nice. CP is such a tease.

No, No and No. :)

No

No

No

Edit: Damn....I was beat to it!
*** Edited 8/25/2006 4:38:14 PM UTC by j2k95sunfire***