NEW Policy with MF seatbelts?
Dave... you're assuming that the seat belts would be long enough to allow for that deviation in the first place. You and I both know that's not the case.
RideMan said:
But Jeff, depending on how they set the minimum closure point on the lap bar, that might be enough to ensure that the rider is secure.
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Back on topic: Jeff...my point is that they seem to have decided that there is a failure mode with the lap bar in certain positions, and THAT, moreso than the long seat belt, was the mechanical issue in the incident. It has been pointed out here REPEATEDLY that in spite of the park and manufacturer's claims to the contrary, the seat belt DOES NOT go around the part of the body which prevents the lap bar from functioning. Therefore, if you are counting on using the seat belt to measure who can and cannot fit safely under the lap bar, the seat belt is going to fail miserably. The seat belt won't fasten for some riders who can be safely secured by the lap bar, while for other riders who can't be secured by the lap bar, the belt will fasten just fine (even the short belts). That is what the new belt on the lap bar is intended to fix.
On a somewhat related note...does anybody know where that 1999 Spy Photo of the Millennium Force went? As I recall, there was something very interesting about that photo that never made it onto the finished ride.......
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
I am not convinced that the go/no-go belt is such a fantastic idea. It is a reasonable idea, but I still don't know how they determined the "go" point. I do think the short seat belts and the 1" crap that Cedar Point is pulling is stupid, and if they are going to do that they should consider replacing the seat belts with something that is actually adjustable. But Intamin used the existing belts for a specific reason.
The seat belt standard needs to be, "if you can fasten the belt, the belt is OK." That eliminates the judgement call.
The lap bar standard is a little more nebulous because the position that would be absolutely safe for me would not be safe for a 48" kid, and the position that would be safe for the 48" kid is unattainable for me. This is where, if there are flaws with the design, they need to be fixed, not patched. Lap bar position should not be critical to ride safety.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
I am 6 fet tall, 300lbs, and have close to a 44 inch waist.
I JUST fit in it without 1 inch slack.(not required by sfne)
And man do those shin guards dig in and bruise ya errr
cyberdman
This person humiliated the female members of our party who were in the car with belt buckled and bar down, by basically yelling "People of extreme size are not permitted to ride MF anymore,please exit over there" He did this with a smile on his face and on purpose. I am done with CP for a long time to come and it's a damn shame too because I loved that place,but I am not going to sit by while employees act like that and I get an excuse from Peggy and now Kinzel saying I need to understand,that it was their first week of operation. BS. I'll be saving the money I spend on their over priced resorts and overpriced games and food. *** Edited 5/31/2004 6:10:33 PM UTC by MFJedi2***
ROUNDABOUND.
Thanks
MrScott said:
Thank you for exiting the line.MrScott
Way to add a lot of class and intelligence to the thread.
MFJedi2 said:
... I told her that they measure height and base ticket prices on that, and if they are going to be biased towards people who they think are overweight and can't ride safely,that they better weight and measure your waist at the gate and give a discount based on what you can't ride. Needless to say,she didn't reply anymore.I have no problem with safety policies,but there shouldbe notice either on their website or outside of the gate before you pay,telling you the new policies.
While measuring waists and everything is all fine and dandy in theory, in real life it just doesn't work. Take my ride (Twister) for example. You could be 7'0" and not be able to ride b/c of your shoulder height. You could be fairly obese but have thinner thighs and be able to get on and have the seatbelts buckle. What I'm getting at is that waist size is definately not the only thing that is a deterrant away from being able to ride a ride... There's a HUGE number of factors for some rides including height, weight, waist size, thigh cirumference, chest girth (muscle or breast size), and that's just for starters.
In order to correctly measure each and every person before getting into the gate, you'd pretty much be strip searched or at *least* you'd feel like you were getting a custom fitted outfit... something I really don't care for when coming to play at a park...
So like I said. If it's something as simple as a quick height check, it'd be fine, but checking the circumferences of all those items is way way way too time consuming... especially in the morning.
how come you didn't just scream at them on the platform and let everyone know that your not going to take that crap from them. i would if they do that to me when i go like i said before i will be mean and the person who did it will pay becuse i will make sure he comes with me to guest relations or they come to us. as for kinzel there is no excuse for rudeness. we are called guests to a theme park for a reason, the purpose is for the guests to be treated as like a guest in your own home. the oporators on MF are missing that concept.
I’m not sure if this will help, but if you paid for your tickets via credit card, you could possibly dispute the charges. I don’t even know if it’s feasible in a case like this, but I it seems like it might be.
Cedar Point agreed to provide service and you agreed to pay a predetermined price in return. Although it might not seem like it, legally, you have entered in a contract with them. Here, you feel they have failed provided the quality and level of service you expected have attempted to resolve the issue with management, yet they did not respond (and they seem to be the ones looking for sympathy instead of the other way around). In theory, you have the right do dispute the charges with them.
Even a large amount of complaints isn’t going to make them even try and resolve the issue at this point. However, a seasonal place like Cedar Point, who depends on timely execution of it’s receivable would probably take a different approach if you started messing with their cash inflows.. Again, I don’t know what the credit card company would say in a service situation like this, but it seems like the next step. *** Edited 6/1/2004 8:42:45 PM UTC by Joe E***
coolfun5688 said:
MF jedi 2how come you didn't just scream at them on the platform and let everyone know that your not going to take that crap from them. i would if they do that to me when i go like i said before i will be mean and the person who did it will pay becuse i will make sure he comes with me to guest relations or they come to us. as for kinzel there is no excuse for rudeness. we are called guests to a theme park for a reason, the purpose is for the guests to be treated as like a guest in your own home. the oporators on MF are missing that concept.
If I wanted to do anything to the guy on the platform, it would have been to slug him one actually. This guy went way out of his way to be an ***hole to us,he smarted off to the women in our group,seemingly not knowing there were guys in the group because when I got up with my wife and he looked at me,he had a huge surprised look on his face.
I was so infuriated I left the platform and went to park ops,who blew me off. Then Peggy blew me off and now Kinzel sends me a form letter. They keep telling me about safety,etc, but they don't seem to understand that the treatment of our party by the ride op was the problem,not the belt thing.They both just said it was week 1 and i should understand.
The credit card company is a good idea,I hadn't thought of that.
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