Mystery Construction

This isn't going to turn into another poor Mantis crew thread is it?

^Splash Mountain is over 20 mins, Spaceship Earth is close to 30 min, Great Movie Ride is 20 min, Haunted Mansion is a 15 min ride from stretching room to exit, Kilimanjaro Safari is 30-40 min. But that does matter crazy, the longer the ride, the more people can ride on the ride at the same time, upping capacity. That length is also a huge psychological plus for guests because a wait for 30 min might seem long, but if you are waiting for a ride that is just as long it no longer seems that bad.

jeff,

you cant compare these two parks. it doesn't make sense too. the climate and location is completely different. i don't care what you say, when someone says "im going to Florida" you say "oh that's great, getting away from the cold?". when someone says "im going to ohio!" you say "why the hell would you go there?... its just a bunnch of nothingness". its just a state of mind. you put cedar point in florida, and you might as well kiss most of the other parks good bye.

BlueStreak64 said:

Jeff said:
Where is everyone hearing Monty Jasper spout opinions about a ride Cedar Fair does not own and that he does not have to maintain?

As for the Disney comparison, operationally it is very relevant. While I have not personally been to the parks, anecdotal evidence would suggest to me that even on the busiest of days their lines don't even approach the ridiculousness of a 2+ hour wait for multiple rides, despite having less rides in one park than Cedar Point with a comparable or greater crowd level. I also have a friend who works on Ripsaw Falls at Universal, and some of the numbers that ride gets astound me, even after seeing the numbers that Raptor, Maverick, and Magnum hit. Operationally Disney, and even Universal, are ahead of Cedar Point right now.

Have you ever been in April? When I went we waited an hour and a half for Big Thunder Mountain on multiple occasions. Space mountain saw hour long lines the entire week, and Everest was around 60-70 minute waits. Rockin Roller Coaster was a 2 hour line, but we decided the single rider line was a better option than waiting for that coaster. Ripsaw falls was a 2 1/4 hour wait as well, and that is no exaggeration because you have nothing better to do than time /text while in line.

I went to CP in July of the same year as I had these wait times in Orlando. We waited an hour for TTD everytime, an hour for MF everytime, 1-1 1/2 hours for Maverick. These were the worst lines we saw at the point in 2 days. And I'll tell ya, its alot easier to wait an hour for the best coasters at Cedar Point than for the best in Orlando. Why? Because they are worth the wait.

Let me start off by saying I am very well traveled. I've been to 32 states in the union, Canada (lol) and have ridden over 115 roller coasters. I am 19 in a family of 6. If you want to talk about unreasonable wait times be glad I have better things to do right now. Have you ever waited four hours for a roller coaster when it was running at "full capacity?" After all the parks I've been to CP's ride crews have to be the best out there with what they have to work with.

At the end of the day, there's just unreasonable expectations that are put on the table.

Yet, it makes complete sense to compare Cedar Point to SFMM? SoCal is twice as far, and nearly as nice.

I completely agree with Jeff. It wasn't until I started traveling that I realized that Cedar Point wasn't the be all-end-all. Over the past six years, I've been to 22 different parks in 8 states, and if I had a choice of where I could spend only one day, it would be in Orlando. In fact, Cedar Point isn't very high on my list. Perhaps its because I frequent it so much that I could go without it, or because I find the other parks to be more enjoyable. In either case, its all about broadening your horizons that Cedar Point isn't necessarily the best at everything.

cpfanatic066 said:
jeff,

you cant compare these two parks.

No, you can't. (You can't seem to find the punctuation or shift key either, and "to" and "too" aren't the same thing.) The rest of us are comparing them, thanks.

Italian Stalion ever hear of Fastpass? Also you should check out staying at a Universal Hotel the next time you are down there, you can get front of the line access for every ride as much as you want the whole day. When you do that, a 5 min wait becomes a disapointment.

Ok, so my anecdotal evidence didn't hold up against someone else's, I kind of expected that. Although I will say, July no longer has the longest wait times for rides, its now Saturdays in October. But still, that's anecdotal.

I think operationally the comparison is very true, and very much deserved, since Cedar Point did honestly used to be at the top. What has caused that to change? That's a question that we're trying to answer, because it has real merit. Sure, we can talk all we want about CP being good compared to other ok and mediocre parks when it comes to operations, but why bother? Being good enough for that comparison shouldn't be the end, being good enough to be at the top should be, and Disney is currently the one at the top. I would even put Universal up there as well.

oh, sorry I didn't punctuate your name. I am sorry my great webmaster.

Are you going to go in your room and look at yourself in the mirror now?

And no...you cant. why? because they are designed for 2 different thingssssssssss. and by the way, you never actually responded to my comment, which leads me to believe you don't have an answer.

Touchdown said:
Italian Stalion ever hear of Fastpass? Also you should check out staying at a Universal Hotel the next time you are down there, you can get front of the line access for every ride as much as you want the whole day. When you do that, a 5 min wait becomes a disapointment.

Yeah, I've bought into that system a couple times actually. If you can't beat them, join them. SF's line reserve system is horrible. Disney's is better, but only if you can get a pass before they are sold out on the popular rides. Still, I feel like I shouldn't have to pay to get through the gate, and in some cases pay/fight for passes to get me through lines faster.

I actually appreciate that at CP everyone is treated as equal, no free or pay for line cutting. This is a whole new issue, so hopefully no more responses on this.

This conversation is over, gripe all you want about Disney being better than Cedar Point. If you don't like it and its so terrible why do you go? Do me a favor and don't, makes my day a whole lot better.

So how about that mystery construction?

Very mysterious... for sure... for sure...

Has anybody else posted any pictures besides the leaked out on-point blog?

What about the links on the first page of this thread?

I've made multiple trips to WDW, then Disneyland a couple

years ago for the first time and had a blast.  It's true about

visiting other parks around the country, CP is the same old thing

after doing so.  Anyways, back on the subject.  Perfect land clearing for

a new flume! ;)

Since we're off topic anyways, I myself am making a first trip to Universal this May, how are they in operations anyhow?

I think the continued absence of the one hour blog post more strongly hints at a new installation of some kind, if it truly were anything like another storage shed, I don't think they would have taken it down, but then again, anything to cause a little buzz I suppose...

BlueStreak64 said:
I also learned a bit about boats from Mr. Hildebrandt, but that's another story completely. ;)

Now you are talking about the important stuff! :)

crazy horse said:
It is true that they may have more trains on there coasters and rides, but the length of the rides(much longer than a cp coaster/ride) are very long.

I think we timed pirates of the carribean at over 14 min long.

Except that Pirates of the Carribean is not a coaster. With the relatively slow ride systems they have at Disney it is easy to have a large number of vehicles, just like CP did with Earthquake and Pirate Ride.

And Pirates of the Carribean is not 14 min. long, try 8 min. 30 sec. Go to this web site for all of the Disney ride times.

The Disney coasters are not that long, times are close to CP's. Space Mountain: 2min. 30sec., Expedition Everest: 2min. 51sec, Rock 'N' Roller Coaster 1min. 22sec., and Big Thunder 3min. 25sec.

The Disney track lengths are very average also. The four coasters mentioned above have an average length of 3450', with the longest (Everest) being 4421' and the shortest (Big Thunder) at 2780'.

Millennium Force has a track lenght of 6595' but also has a top speed of 90mph and a much higher average speed than the Disney Coasters.

CP does not need longer rides or higher capacity, they are outstanding in both areas. The only thing they need are a sprinkling of some of the larger scale family attractions, like a well themed dark ride or two, a flume ride and maybe a walk through.

That's it, then I feel they would have a great combination of slower stuff for the entire family and the exciting thrill rides that we all go to Cedar Point for. I'm not really a big fan of the emersive Disney fantasy experience, I like fast rides and a traditional amusement park experience. I think CP still delivers that better than anyone.

^Except he mentioned the DL POTC, which is much longer and more detailed then the MK POTC.