Mystery Construction

Chuck Wagon said:
Reminder: if you are not going to read the entire thread, don't post!

The dog on the logo was already mentioned on page 131.

The 2 park deal with DEI for an Earnhardt ride was mentioned on page 117.

Wow, you sure are a jerk. Some people have better things to do than read through all 140 pages of ****.

Ya dude, chill! The whole thread is nothing short of gossip anyway.....

Yeah! Chuck Wagon, Give the guy a break...

Wow like someone is going to read all 140 pages! give them a break.

I confess that I skipped reading the first 50 or so pages before I posted.

Thor said: I did the math, and the average amount of time between coasters in the modern age is 2.75--so they are due. The last time Cedar Point built a wooden coaster was in 1991. This coaster is, to many, no good and boring. The other wooden coaster? Built in 1964. I'd say they are due for that.

The fail is strong with you Thor.

By your logic, this Intamin woodie won't come until 2018, seeing as how there was 27 years that passed between Blue Streak and Mean Streak...or perhaps it is senseless to base your conclusions on two sets of arbitrary dates, for example, when the last coaster was built. That's not how it works. Should we have expected a flat ride to be built in 2007, because they built one in 2006 and 2005? I mean it's one a year, so they are due, right?

ice said:
I confess that I skipped reading the first 50 or so pages before I posted.

Me too. ;)

MrInkspot@aol.com said:
Ok, I've yet to share my thoughts on 2010 construction, but here goes...

It's GOT to be a coaster of some sort. They'd be stupid to hype something smaller or less significant this much. They've created a website for the attraction, have made countless blog/twitter posts teasing it and have even sent out teaser press kits to the media with the bottle and the small comic strip. IMO, there's no way they'd spend that kind of effort on something smaller.

Since it's likely going to be on the island, it's probably going to be connected to the Frontier Trail midways and will be all old-westerny (this matches the prohibition-times vibe I get from the bottle). Also, since it's likely to be neighbors with Millennium Force, it won't be some calm or quiet ride (like a log flume). It'd be pretty lame to be thinking "Ah, how nice and relaxing..." just to have a 70+MPH blur of steel shatter the moment.

It'll be wooden... or at least wooden-supports like Gemini and CCMR. They did a great job of making Maverick feel old even though it's shiny red steel, but I doubt they go that route twice in a row. Wooden rides fit in way better with the area's theme. Oh, and I don't care what company makes it... Cedar Point usually makes fun coasters regardless of the manufacturer.

There's my $.02 - er maybe that was closer to a dime

I love the part of your thoughts about how it wouldn't be a calm or quiet ride abd the thinking about how nice and relaxing.... just to have a 70+MPH blur... that made my day! I hope that with all the hype that is going on,it will blow our minds!

Normally don't opine on stuff like this, but I'm tired of reading the same conversation over and over again. If you don't read what's already been posted chances are, after 140 pages, whatever great idea you have for the future of CP or groundbreaking discovery you made on the blog or the whytelightning homepage has already been discussed ad nauseam, especially if it's been out there for hours or days. It's not being rude to point it out, it's rude to bring a dead conversation back to life because you don't have the common courtesy to read and understand the conversation you're entering into and see that what you're curious about has already been discussed. Just read back and find the answers, then the conversation can move forward, rather than jump in hip deep with something that's already been done to death and we can all talk in circles for another 140.
Ok, going to get off my soap box and put my high horse back in the barn. Cheers.

dj- Sure this may not be a coaster and could be some kind of water ride/ family attraction that the park "needs". However I don't understand why you are shooting down every single person who thinks it could be a coaster.

Just because the target audience may not be "enthusiast" orientated, does not go to say it can't be a roller coaster. I have plenty of friends who don't care about Cedar Point at all but go to ride coasters. They don't plan their trip saying "Oh let's go to Cedar Point and ride Space Spiral all day." No, a trip planned for the park 99% of the time would involve the point that you wanted to ride a roller coaster. They are definitely a part of the general public.

Just curious, are you this pessimistic every year about "America's Roller Coast" getting a new coaster??? According to you it seems like the park never needs, (nor should get.) another coaster, whether it be a 500ft record breaker or just another good ride without height and speed, (aka Maverick). I'm sorry the park disappointed you with Gemini, Mean Streak, Magnum, Millennium, Dragster, and Maverick. I recommend you take a trip to the point and tell them to:

1) Quit marketing the park as the Coaster Capital of the World
2) Get rid of "Ride On"
3) Don't play a million T.V. ads talking about being a "Ride Warrior"
(Note: This campaign actually needs to end. It's ridiculous, stupid, and makes me embarrassed to go.)

^^That list is clearly too much advertising for "family rides" am I correct...

I realize they need to cater to the whole family too, however that does not involve killing off great coasters. Open your eyes Cedar Point is what it is! If it was known for being a serious family park it would be...what's that place called...Disney World!

Also keep in mind i'm not saying it will be a coaster at all, I understand that it is very late to start a ride that there are no footers poured for. I will be happy with whatever they decide to put it, as long as it IS some kind of ride, whether it's a water ride/coaster/"family" coaster.

One more thing, THEY do create a buzz and hype. THEY are the ones tweeting, facebooking, and throwing out physical hints of a new attraction, NOT us.

Just saying you should lighten up on ideas other than yours!

I keep thinking about this Snake River Falls 17th birthday. I really think that their going to extend/expand SRF and do something like, the Jurassic Park river ride a IOA, something along those lines, but with this moonshine/whyte lighting theme. I think they will expand it onto the Millie Island adding perhaps more drops "lighting strikes twyce" Maybe a big part of the ride will be indoors, keeping the snf station and main drop under the bridge. Now i'm going out on a limb here just guessing, but have a indoor dark ride/water ride, I think that will give them and excuse to get rid of DT and add that wooden coaster everyone talks about.

Alright:

djDemon: I don't know what you are talking about. Obviously they are lacking a GOOD woodie. I assume you have ridden a good wooden coaster in your lifetime. I also assume you would agree with me that neither of CP's woodies are above average, let alone being close to the top woodies. That is the one glaring omission from CP's lineup, in my opinion.

Jesmcel: Whoa, calm down there. The fail is not with me. Those are two completely different statements. The math had to do with the first comment--the average number of years between is 2.75. As for the dates, I was just pointing out that it has been a long time since CP built their last woodie, and that their other one was really old as well. And just to let you know, you can't do any statistical analysis off of only 2 data points that actually means anything.

SoEffenBoard: Stop whining. Very few people have read all 141 pages of this discussion, and besides, I believe page one was posted in March. If you're tired of it then stop posting or reading.

By the way, everyone, I fully realize that it could be any ride, and there is a good possibility I am wrong. But why all the hostility for the minority opinion?

^^Last part, agreed.

Thor, everytime someone is redirected to a previous post that gives the background they obviously missed before making their SWAG we get 3 pages of whining and complaining about 'chill out bro, why're you attacking me?' from folks who missed that johnson's has a 'no tears' formula out now. It's rarely 130 pages in the past, it's a couple, i.e. posted overnight or over the last couple of days. I don't think it's whining to read that crap for a few dozen pages and finally point it out.

TTDCP said:
Also keep in mind I’m not saying it will be a coaster at all, I understand it is very late to start a coaster that there are no footers poured for.

And yet Raptor construction didn't start until removal of Mill Race. Mill Race removal didn't start till after Labor Day. And it was open and running on opening day. Don't take the lack of footers in mid-late August to mean that a coaster or other sufficiently large ride cannot be built.

I take the fact that there is a glaring hole in an amusement park's lineup to mean that a coaster will not be built.

So maybe we can get back on topic here? ;)

Business people out there, listen up. So, I don't know the exact details, but correct me if I'm wrong. Dale Earnhardt Inc. (DEI) has just entered a formal "partnership" with Cedar Fair (CF). This means that DEI and CF are partners for these two additions at KD and Carowinds. Lets assume that the partnership to BUILD the rides was 50/50 and the theming was completely up to DEI. That means, out of the $25mil at KD, only about $10mil was paid for by CF (assuming that the ride cost $20mil and the theming cost $5mil). That would also mean that CF paid only $9mil for the Carowinds coaster ($9mil from DEI and $5mil for theming). If this scenario is correct, that would mean that CF has only paid $19mil for capital expenditures for 2010. Assuming the budget is $50mil-$75mil for 2010, you could expect a major coaster at the Point, as well as many capital improvements at all the parks.

Now I know that requires a lot of assumptions, as well as the speculation that DEI pays for the theming and HALF the ride, but this scenario is something that could happen.

Let me know what you think.

From their Facebook page: "Cedar Point is not building an S&S, a B&M, a Grav. Group, a Mack, or a Gerstlauer."

That gets rid of all the coaster companies except CGI and Intamin.

I dunno, they made the "Gee, See I" post, then said that everything they'd posted about was what they weren't getting.

I'm not being a jerk. I'm just asking for common courtesy. Both of the examples I gave were from the last 20 or so pages. It's annoying to read this thread one day, and then come back the next to read the same stuff re-posted.