Mantis removal or transformation?

I'm just really concerned about all the fish in the lagoon when construction starts. I mean, every time some dust or debris falls in the water they're all going to be swimming to the surface thinking it's dog food (from the "fish food" dispensers) or, human spit, which people love to feed them.

There's been construction going on or near the lagoons (Crystal Rock Castle, Corkscrew midway, Mantis, bridge to Dinos Alive) for decades. I'm pretty sure the fish will be fine.

WishfulThinker83 said:
Changing or altering Mantis in any way from it's original design is like doing $6,000 worth of upgrades to a partially rusted 1996 Chevy Cavalier! Just not worth it!!

Hmmmmmmmm - is that just wishful thinking?

Always did wonder what the attraction is when it comes to spitting in the fish. Saw an attractive adult woman do it in the Iron Dragon line last month. Always an adventure!!

MaverickLaunch said:
I'm just really concerned about all the fish in the lagoon when construction starts. I mean, every time some dust or debris falls in the water they're all going to be swimming to the surface thinking it's dog food (from the "fish food" dispensers) or, human spit, which people love to feed them.

And as a result, those fish are likely among the most hearty animals on the planet. They could probably eat rusty nails and turpentine and be just fine.

I have noticed that there are less fish by Iron Dragon, but there is still the giant gathering of carp near CCMR.

coasterJay said:

WishfulThinker83 said:
Changing or altering Mantis in any way from it's original design is like doing $6,000 worth of upgrades to a partially rusted 1996 Chevy Cavalier! Just not worth it!!

Hmmmmmmmm - is that just wishful thinking?

LOL, I guess it is!

Since they closed-off the lagoon from the lake the overall population has declined from what I have seen. No proper knowledge of it, just observations over the years. I think too that far fewer people are 1. in line at Iron Dragon, and 2. they are there far less time. Thus less food being on-hand to toss over to the fish and more of what there is at the FT bridge.

That said this year seemed sparse even for what I knew and saw, but that I've heard might be due to the epic cold winter and the fish being slower to get active due to that.

I'm pretty sure that when a nuclear winter falls upon the planet, the only creatures that will survive are cockroaches, and the CP fish.

^^^ Egads! Where's the like button!?!

But you forgot to add Cher to the list. I'm pretty sure she'll be around forever too, on an endless farewell tour.... :)

NWLB said:
Since they closed-off the lagoon from the lake the overall (fish) population has declined from what I have seen. No proper knowledge of it, just observations over the years.

That was done over 50 years ago (by the Marina/Bay side of park), after the 1960 season, when they transformed the main midway.

CPfan1976 said:

NWLB said:
Since they closed-off the lagoon from the lake the overall (fish) population has declined from what I have seen. No proper knowledge of it, just observations over the years.

That was done over 50 years ago (by the Marina/Bay side of park), after the 1960 season, when they transformed the main midway.

Not arguing, if your right you are right, but I was looking at older maps that had two entrances to the lake to the north and was otherwise thinking back to what I recall reading some years back, about the time MF was being or going to be built.

So for the announcement tomorrow. I think mean streak will become king james. They're not really making a big deal about it so i doubt its related to mantis in anyway. I think the announcement for mantis wont come until after it closes.

I'm not sure what it will be, but I doubt it will be Mantis. That would kill the hype of it closing and what's in store for the future of it. I'm surprised it took this long for this announcement. The opportunity to cash in on this is long gone. The hype of LeBron returning has faded. I've got no doubts that this announcement will get people buzzing, but I think it should've happened sooner. If the basketball season is starting soon, I could see that being a good reason to wait. I don't follow basketball much so I don't know.

Hopefully it will just be a weekend or at the most a season, permanently renaming a coaster King James just doesn't seem right.

That said, the hype has not faded. In fact, it's only just begun. Just wait until the first basketball starts being played, and the closer the first home game gets, the bigger the hype will be.

And deservedly so.

The regular season starts on October 30th at home, while the preseason starts in just a couple weeks, running through Halloweekends.

It's the perfect time to crown a certain coaster King James regardless of how long that name lasts.

What is lost on me is how serious some are taking the naming of a coaster. It's a roller coaster. He's King James. It's supposed to be fun. It's a publicity stunt, and nothing more. Just smile and throw some powder in the air and Let it Go...Let it Go...

Ensign Smith said:
I wonder if there are other sound-deadening materials that are lighter than sand? Maybe some kind of foam or aerogel?

I thought that you might find this interesting:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1084&...t=meng_fac

"Sand increases the weight of the section by 53% while perlite and vermiculite have much lower densities and only increase it by 5%. A significant increase in the weight might require
increases in the structural support and thereby increase the overall cost considerably.

Perlite is known to change consistency when heated while vermiculite is more stable to high heat levels. This might affect the nature of the fill materials during assembly or maintenance including welding and the performance over time as the structure is heated from radiation exposure to the sun.

Considering the noise-reduction together with the weight and manufacturing characteristics the following conclusions can be made. Sand appears to be the most effective for sound reduction. Vermiculite and perlite provide good, though somewhat less noise reduction than sand. However, the significantly lower weight of vermiculite and perlite might justify their use instead of sand if the penalty (4 dB) of less noise reduction can be accepted. Finally, vermiculite may be a better choice than perlite due to its manufacturing and temperature characteristics"

Don't they need to consider making sure there is no moisture or water leakage within the ride rails that would freeze and burst the tubes? Just curious.

Well- now that we know "King James" isn't coming... bring on Rougarou!!!! (Which I still believe is a revamped Mantis)

After seeing this below.... I think CP is making it clear that we're not only saying goodbye to Mantis, but it's 145' steel structure as well? This is right from the website on Mantis' closure...

Cedar Point's massive stand-up coaster, Mantis, is closing for good on Sunday, October 19.

Since 1996, the 145-foot-tall steel bug has given more than 22 million rides. It was billed as the tallest and fastest stand-up roller coaster in the world when it opened. Mantis was built by the same legendary manufacturers that brought you GateKeeper and Raptor, Bolliger & Mabillard.