lap bar or shoulder restraints????
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L-TH-TW-B... "Meh"
Wicked twists: 11
*** This post was edited by Majin Heero 12/24/2002 12:43:33 AM ***
psyco691371 said:
Here is something to ponder. I worked on the force and I was told by one of my co workers that they used to for test rides go without lapbars and actually stand up and just hold on. So yes "Restraints, we dont need no stinkin restraints"
Do you really think any person in their right mind would beleive this other than you. This is so far fetch it really bogels my mind one person thought it was true. For this to work the lap bars would have to be down (Otherwise the train won't even leave the station), meaning no posible way to sit down. So over the negitive G hills the people would have their feet go up in the air while they hold onto a bar. unless they have such super strength they push their feet on the floor holding them down. Then when the bracks hit at 50 miles an hour +, they stay in the car standing up with ease. You are a fool for beleiving that tall tail. Plus if you AND your co worker knew of this, that means others do too, and that means managers do to. If it really happend the boss would find out, have to report it and a mass news fest would have been all over it. This tail was over before it began.
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You and the MF.
I'm sorry if I don't meet your high standards of intelligence. You must have much much higher standards than most other people, because I am an intelligent person. And if giving someone who has posted worthwile things in the past the benefit of the doubt makes me a moron, then I guess I'm guilty as charged. psycho691371 is an ex-employee, and has contributed to the converstaions in a constructive way, so I judged him credible. If it had been someone else (someone new - like you) I might have looked at it more critically. I didn't know about the restraints needing to be down for it to run. Do you know for sure or are you just assuming? Also, the negative g's aren't so high on the hills that the riders couldn't just hold onto the seat. Apparently the management did find out, by the way, because he said two posts later that CP put a quick stop to it.
One more thing, it's completely okay to criticize an idea or story of information, but it's extremely bad form to insult the intelligence of the person writing it (or the person commenting on it). And it's not a good way to make yourself welcome considering you haven't even been a member 10 days yet.
--James
*** This post was edited by jdoty 12/24/2002 12:55:45 PM ***
The guy has been on this post longer than me so he's so credible that you beleived what he said? Good logic. If you are so intelligent, how could you not know the lap bars have to be down? The only way to over write that safty protocal is to buy a completly new computer system because the engineers base the whole safty system on the lap bars being down unless in the station. Plus you are not even giving psycho the benefit of the doubt, you are giving his co-worker and a rumor it. So pretty much you believe anything you hear even if it was a rumor started by someone that psycho's friend's told him. That is inteligent and only a person with logic would think the same. Oh boy he said that CP put a quick stop to it! Oh man than it must be true! If a person that has said worthwhile things before said that than I'm on bored too.
One more thing, please, please welcome me! I have no life like most of you and need all of your welcomings! Please, if you people really need to be welcomed by "conforming" than I hope you fall of the side of the earth because your life sucks. I hope all of you do make friends and become a welcomed party...Me, on the other hand I,m going to keep writing what I beleive in and not what others want me to write.
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You and the MF.
Anyway, about leg restraints, on some S&S Thrust Air 2000 coasters (like Dodonpa), the do have restraints that go over your legs to keep them from flying up. I doubt they would snap off if there were no leg restraints, but I can see how it would hurt! http://www.coasterforce.com/information/restraints.htm has a picture, albeit small, of the cars.
(edited to fix a typo :))
--James
*** This post was edited by jdoty 12/24/2002 5:22:52 PM ***
You must have worked on MF at one time or another to know all you know about it huh? Let me just say that people have riden it without lap bars and yes it was put to a stop. The trains can and do leave the station with them UP! The computer does not know when they are up or down. If you have ever seen the Discovery Channel special about Cedar Point then you would know this because in the segment about test riding it, Chad is the only one in the train and you can clearly see the other lap bars are up! I know psyco691371, worked with him this summer, and he is right about what he said. The lap bars don't need to be down.
But I forgot, you know everything about MF, so I "must" be wrong.
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Screamsters 2001
MF/Screamsters 2002
Who in their right mind would ride it without a lap bar?;)
*** This post was edited by 99er 12/25/2002 2:31:41 AM ***
*** This post was edited by 99er 12/25/2002 2:33:03 AM ***
Joey,
Have you ever noticed that the trains are always dispatched from the unloading station to the loading station with the lap bars up? The lap bars on MF have a universal locking system as they utilize hydraulics to keep them from coming up. There are no sensors on the trains telling the computer that it can't be sent because of the lap bars not being down. Whether the bar is locked really close to the seat, or in the idle position, it's still locked, and the computer doesn't know the difference.
It's known that the Intamin people rode MF without the lap bars down to check out several things throughout the course. I'm sure they tightened their belts quite a bit, though. I don't know if the normal employees did, but it sure seems possible. One buddy in the booth dispatches the train while the one on the train just "forgets" to pull down the restraint. Simple as that.
I'd like to clarify something. In your speech on intelligence, you had to say this, "The only way to over write that safty protocal is to buy a completly..."
Now just to make sure, did you mean this? The only way to override that safety protocol is to buy a completely... because I just wanted to make sure that I was reading it right. When trying to decipher an "inteligent" person's wording, you can never be too careful.
Oh, and Happy Kwanz-Hannu-Mas to everyone!
*** This post was edited by CP_bound 12/25/2002 12:40:50 PM ***
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Screamsters 2001
MF/Screamsters 2002
Who in their right mind would ride it without a lap bar?;)
*** This post was edited by 99er 12/25/2002 2:49:36 PM ***
Joey Caparros said:
...than I hope you fall of the side of the earth...
NEWS FLASH! I just heard this the other day, seems like the earth is round. There aren't really any sides to fall off of.
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gravity: down to earth, without the sugar coating.
Joey I am sorry little buddy but you are wrong and I thank 99er(which he says he knows me and I know he knows who I am but I dont know who he is) and cp bound and jdoty for backing me up. I just wish that I could have been there when it was allowed oh well.
Again sorry for bursting your bubble on your little dream world but falling back to reality is far more better. And thanks again to thoes who backed me up.
Gravity I did also find your input to be funny. And I like your quote.
-Doug-
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I am a Mechanical Engineering major not an english major so pardon my horrible grammer
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**Gurgle Gurgle...there goes lunch**
Very few coasters actually report back to the computer whether the lap bars are down. (The B&M speed coasters do, but that's about it). For the most part, if the train reports anything at all, it reports that the rigid restraint systems are locked. At CP, for instance, Corkscrew has a prox switch at the downtrack end of the station which counts the pedals located at the back of each car to make sure that all of the pedals are "up". That insures that the shoulder bars are locked, but there's no telling whether the bars are up or down. On most coasters, a linkage is used in the station to open the bars, and removing that linkage locks the bars, so the computer doesn't even bother to check that: if the train isn't in the station, the bars are locked!
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Who has ridden Millennium Force with most of the lap bars (his own not included!) open...
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
-Doug-
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I am a Mechanical Engineering major not an english major so pardon my horrible grammer
I used to pull the stunt of unbuckeling my lap belt when leaving the station. I think I will follow the rules now as being kicked out of the park does not sound fun!
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People starve in the desert because:FOOD DOES NOT GROW IN SAND!
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