Gold Dorms coming down

I'll let the maint. guys on here come in and say what needs to be said to some of you.

Also the corporate offices aren't going to go anywhere, and honestly makes sense to be overlooking the flagship park. That would be like having Washington D.C. But having Congress in Philadelphia. It makes sense to have it all there.

thedevariouseffect said:
It makes sense to have it all there.

Why does it make sense? Because I don't see a reason for it to all be there. And apparently Cedar Fair doesn't see a reason either considering the other half of corporate is in North Carolina.

Is a good bit of the corporate offices at CP, is Cedar Fair a business based out of CP/Sandusky, yes. It makes sense to have it on point.

If you were to have it off point, please tell me where you'd put it. The only land they own off point is the causeway, dorms, dorm parking, DQ, and CB, the new maint, and that's it. The rest is other business/residential.

Is ANYTHING in Washington DC efficient or working?

There is some nice underused property on the east end of Ohio that Cedar Fair still owns that is ripe for redevelopment. It was called Geauga Lake!

If that's all you think they own off point then you are mistaken. They own a lot of residential lots that are zoned for commercial use. Ever heard of "the church"? They own one and the land around it too, which they use for storage. Not to mention that they can always buy more land.

But you still haven't said why it makes sense to have it all on point. Is it so those in the offices are close to the cafeteria? Because to me, and maybe I am crazy for thinking this, I consider it to make more sense to move your nonessential operations off property so you open up more space for your park. You know, like the way many amusement parks do it.

The corporate offices cover a small footprint, and are tucked in a corner behind the convention center.

You need maintenance where the rides are, so those buildings aren't going anywhere.

Planning & Design and the sign shop are also in a corner that couldn't hold much in terms of rides.

Wardrobe takes up hardly any room either. This is the only building that would make sense to move if or when all housing is moved off-point.

A lot of the buildings you guys are complaining about aren't empty. They serve a specific purpose to aid in the parks operations. You can't just: TAER THEM DOWN.

Is anyone here really complaining? What some people are saying though, myself included, is that some of the facilities that are on property are not as necessary to daily operations as some think they are. Just because a building is moved off property does not mean the Mechanic that takes his break in that building also needs to move off property. The work that is done AT a ride to get it back up quick has nothing to do with that large Maint Building sitting in the middle of the park.

CDF said:

Wardrobe takes up hardly any room either. This is the only building that would make sense to move if or when all housing is moved off-point.

Wardrobe also takes care of all linen services for the hotels. With only Breakers Express and Castaway off-point, it makes sense to keep Wardrobe on-point.

thedevariouseffect said:
Is a good bit of the corporate offices at CP, is Cedar Fair a business based out of CP/Sandusky, yes. It makes sense to have it on point.

If you were to have it off point, please tell me where you'd put it. The only land they own off point is the causeway, dorms, dorm parking, DQ, and CB, the new maint, and that's it. The rest is other business/residential.

I don't see the need to have the corporate building on point, providing that it is actually all corporate and no CP specific offices are in the building.I would have put the corporate building in the TGIFriday's overflow lot on the other side of Cleveland Rd. I've never seen that lot used and it seems like the perfect size for the corporate building and parking for the building.

You have warehouses, a convention center, linens, maint, storage, a few dept supervision (mainly food), kitchens, employee cafe, corporate offices, the PR office, and what was golds all tucked in that corner

If you move all those off site, that's just ridiculous, and it really isn't needed.

That wardrobe is convenient on point. Wet/trashed/sweaty uniforms, ect. It's nice to change there or get what you need. Also having linen there for hotel is convenient as well

The rest of the stuff is there as well..

thedevariouseffect said:
If you move all those off site, that's just ridiculous, and it really isn't needed.

A few of those do have to stay but it doesn't sound so ridiculous to me for the rest to move off property. Why is it so ridiculous to think they could?

Warehouses for food and stuff, better to have on point. Less costs for shipping it, ect. It's all right there. For instance there's a dip & dots freezer and a cooler for beverages & ice in Corkscrew's infield. Better to have it on point than off point there. Convention center, that's self explanitory. Employee Cafe, Linens, ect. That's all self explanitor. pervisor's offices. That makes sense to have it all there. Even though most of them will be roaming on point and doing things within the park, having offices there to be contacted, counsel, and deal with issues is convenient. Corporate offices, to me makes sense to have a bit here on point.

Plus I also go at this level. Why spend money to move all of this off point if operations and costs are unnafected with this change when honestly you can get a bit in that plot of land, but is it truly worth it. Is it worth it to both guests to free up a few small acres, and is it worth it to employees to not have a backstage area to move around and do their things away from the guests eyes. I'd hate it I had to go off point for food or uniforms everyday. Days when it spontaneously rains and you didn't have a blue suit or rain gear, it was nice to grab your things from a bag and go to clothing issue and get a fresh uniform so you weren't sopping wet all day. If I had to go off point to eat and then come back in 45-60 min, screw that. It takes about anywhere from 5-15 minutes depending on where you work to get to the cafe if you choose to eat there.

Nobody here is saying the employee cafeteria or a supervisors office needs to be moved off point. Nor is anyone saying a foods freezer should be placed outside the park. Larger buildings that actually DO take up a lot of space CAN be moved off-point without impact to daily operations. If you can give me a good reason why the paint shop and vehicle maintenance NEEDS to stay on-point then go ahead. What about the landscaping shop and HVAC? Does the sign shop and animation department need to be within walking distance to the midway? How about the welding shop where they make height stands? Does the highbay where they work on repairing ride vehicles need to be there too?

I think the HQ building won't be going anywhere for quite some time. The park is already massive and is a stretch to do everything on a moderately crowded day. Then if you replace buildings with a ride, there is operating costs to go with it and the cost of demolishing and building new buildings. Realistically, the only building I see coming down anytime soon is Cedars. If Maintenance were to go somewhere, I think it would still be on point, maybe in a coasters infield. Linen and wardrobe could possibly go over by Breakers, that would make more sense. Then linen services wouldn't have to drive their trucks to Breakers, which is a majority of their loads. When I worked linens in 2005, on busy days we had to make 2-3 trips to Breakers because we filled the box truck.

Exactly my point. There's no reason to do all of this extra stuff when having those services and offices on point is benefitial to operations and cost I would assume. Plus having backstage areas for employees is nice for us. I mean until CP ever gets underground systems like Disney which will never happen I'll want backstage stuff. Being able to go behind corkscrew by the lift hill, walk past my low zones and behind Matterhorn and go to lunch was nice to get away from people most of the time and straight line it to the Cafe. Then having our time clock and uniform issue right there was convenient on many an occasion.

I think with the Breakers renovation, they should put linen services over there. There was a section at the back end of the Tower section in Breakers that looked like it was a folding room, or at least that's what I saw everyone doing in there. They could easily just add on a section to that where linen could put all their washing machines.

Eh I could kinda see that, but then would you want a stream of employees heading to breakers for time card and uniforms & stuff?

Merging would be slightly nice but I dunno. It def. needs to stay on point though, I will say that at least. Oh and with you being Linen, what the hell caused the nasty smell on uniforms..it was like formalin or something

I was on the second shift so I didn't do uniforms. The first shift mostly did that. The second shift handled Breakers and other resort linens.

I just think Merging linen with Breakers can eliminate the need for them to drive the box truck around. We drove that between Breakers back and forth several times each day and that was where most of the loads came from. Everywhere else can be handled with a pickup truck. It was a nightmare one day when the box truck was in the shop. We had to make constant trips with a pickup and had to borrow one from maintenance. As for wardrobe, it's only a slightly longer hike and it would be behind Breakers which is mostly inaccessible to guests.

. and the washing machines, dryers, and folders would not fit in the room that you speak of.

Which is why I suggested adding on to be able to accommodate that.