Gatekeeper Bins

Thabto said:
I never wear them and I'm just fine.

Well it's a good thing everyone has the same skin tone and eye color as you, and no one has skin cancer.

^ Straw Man

djDaemon said:
On MF, the restraints allow me to shove my hat down my shirt. On GK, the restraint would crush it.

You can still do that with gatekeeper and they won't be crushed unless you are a moron. The restraint doesn't cover your whole body. An easy solution to this problem would be to sit on your hat or put it down your shirt and have straps on your sunglasses. Again you don't need the bins for hats and sunglasses anymore than it is needed for souvenir cups.

I'm quite familiar with storing my hat in my shirt, as I do that even on rides that have bins. However, the vests on GK are such that the only place where a hat wouldn't get crushed is in the upper-torso area, where it's most at risk for coming loose.

But that's beside the point.

The point is that hats and sunglasses serve a medical purpose, and there are few practical alternatives. The same is obviously not true for keeping hydrated.

Do you find that the rule changes each time you go?

No. I see folks regularly prevented from bringing their souvenir cups into line, while those of us with water bottles (or whatever) are simply told those items aren't allowed in the station.

Regardless of enforcement, I'm pretty sure the rules are posted at the entrance.

djDaemon said:

The point is that hats and sunglasses serve a medical purpose, and there are few practical alternatives. The same is obviously not true for keeping hydrated.

The exact same thing can be said for the cup. You need to be hydrated because otherwise you will have a medical issue. There are also a "few" alternatives to bringing the souvenir cup.

How about this..

They only want certain items in the line, bins, and station. If it's included in that list, sweet, good to go. Anything else, sorry, but time to play by the rules.

There are practical alternatives to a souvenir cup. Like a disposable cup, which are just as or more readily available than a souvenir cup. In addition to a disposable cup, bottled soda/water is also permitted.

I don't have any disposable hats or sunglasses. :)

As for hydration, you're only without water for the 10 or so minutes you're in the station, which also happens to be in the shade, where risk of dehydration is lower. And if you make sure you're hydrated before getting in line, I can't imagine anyone would sweat enough in 2 hours to become dehydrated.

Standing in line under the sun can take hours. A lot of sun damage can occur in those two hours.

^ Wow you really like to twist things and do unfair comparisons to try and prove your point.
You could have straps on your glasses which they do sell in the park so they are readily available. I still fail to see how a hat is a necessity, you can use sunscreen or other products on the market to protect your skin from the deadly sunlight. Also sunscreen is readily available in the park.

Your second paragraph is not a fair comparison, you are using alternatives for the souvenir cup and comparing it with the no alternative to hat and sunglasses. You can have your sunglasses on the whole time with the strap so no damage is done. You could wear your hat the entire time in line then put it down your shirt while you ride so no damage is done. One final alternative is to put on sunscreen and bring is with you in line and reapply as needed.

I'm not saying there are no non-bin solutions to storing a hat.

But there's a huge difference between a hat and souvenir cup. You can't wrap your mind around that. Got it.

djDaemon said:

The bins are for necessary loose items, like hats and sunglasses. Souvenir cups are not in any way necessary.

They can also potentially spill and ruin someone's hat.

You kind of did though. :)

I am not saying they are the same thing, I am saying that they are both luxury items and thus don't need a place to be stored.

All I said there was that hats and sunglasses are actually a health necessity for some people, not that the bins are necessary.

For me (and other fair-skinned folks), a hat is not a luxury item. In fact, I'd actually prefer not to wear one, but if I'm out in the sun for several hours, I have to.

Instead of putting the souvenir cups in a bin, an easy solution for CP would be to build some cupholders by the bin and label each with a number. All riders would need to do is place their cup in a cupholder and remember the number to make sure they get their own cup back.

Again I would argue that there are alternatives to a hat thus making it not a necessity.

I could say I need water while in line so therefore I need my cup in line. Now that is obviously false statement because there are alternatives to a cup just like a hat. I will agree that a hat is more convenient than the other options, but so is a souvenir cup.

Imagine how PISSED someone would be if they had an item of value (cell phone or keys) or even a hat or sweatshirt or jacket in that bin and some douchbag with a 32 ounce soda places their cup in there and it spills all over everything in the bin? Lots of people just toss items in there without looking and could possibly knock over the cup. No one wants to wear a sticky wet soda covered article of clothing.

Wow, another thread where a certain person just won't up and admit that their argument arsenal has run dry.

+1 to the group that thinks everything is luxury. You need sunglasses, use a band. You need a hat? Use sunscreen or shove it in your shirt next to your man boobies.

Dead Sexeh said:
Again I would argue that there are alternatives to a hat thus making it not a necessity.

As someone with fair skin, I'm quite familiar with the alternatives.

I could bring an umbrella, but that's an even more cumbersome loose article.

I could hire a team to carry me around in an air conditioned litter, but I imagine CP and other guests wouldn't respond too kindly to that.

I could invoke Erebus, but I honestly don't know how to do that.

When someone lowers themselves to using a straw man argument that means all intelligent conversation is lost. I will move on and let you continue shouting about how you can't live without your tin foil hat and sunglasses :)

To sum up this thread, there are bins because of the restriction on footwear for the ride. Cups are no longer permitted presumably from incidents of drinks getting spilled in the bin. Most importantly if you go outside without a hat and sunglasses you will die (yes, I just did the straw man argument).

Straw man doesn't mean what you think it means. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean it's a different argument.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Jeff said:

Thabto said:
I never wear them and I'm just fine.

Well it's a good thing everyone has the same skin tone and eye color as you, and no one has skin cancer.

djDaemon said:

Dead Sexeh said:
Again I would argue that there are alternatives to a hat thus making it not a necessity.

As someone with fair skin, I'm quite familiar with the alternatives.

I could bring an umbrella, but that's an even more cumbersome loose article.

I could hire a team to carry me around in an air conditioned litter, but I imagine CP and other guests wouldn't respond too kindly to that.

I could invoke Erebus, but I honestly don't know how to do that.

Let's look at the first time I called out straw man. You are saying that hats and sunglasses are a necessity because of skin cancer. You are exaggerating the fact that sun can do harm to you.
The second time he exaggerates the effort needed for the alternative solutions thus making my stance of there being other options seem nonsensical.