Chick-fil-A Ban

Yeah, calling people a bigot for their beliefs doesn't really do much for validating your argument, unfortunately.

If you take the high road and have a real debate, and learn what it is the other person is saying (instead of calling names) you might actually gain some insight into the formation of opinions and whatnot.

I eat at Chick-fil-a all the time. Am I a bigot? (just curious, not trying to pick a fight)

OK, I am going to put my thoughts out here to the original poster. I think its a retarded for anyone to make any kind of statement good or bad on any particular group.

Secondly I am a franchisee of a national pizza chain... Now if any particular franchisee made any kind of racist statment or the franchisor for that matter, you should have the commen sence that we all dont have the same views as the person who started all this.

So again as a franchisee I work hard and worry always about my business and not about ignorant customers who will take the words of one person to punish an entire chain.

Thirdly not only are you hurting local business by not going to these business you hurt local economies and then people lose jobs. All becasue some celeb has an opinion to boycot a chain.

Now understand chick-fil-a franchisees love the brand and there are local people in your area who own and run these stores... They run a business they are pasionite about. So before you run your mouths about boycotting a business think about who your hurting.

WAKE UP AMERICA... Jesus, GOD BLESS US ALL

^^Absolutely not. Just because a customer agrees/disagrees with a company's view doesn't mean they should patronize it. IMO, Chick-fil-a can do whatever it wants with their money; it isn't like they are turning certain people away due to their religion,sexuality, etc.

Every big company gives money to some organization that somebody doesn't like. Companies can't please everybody. Chick-fil-a sells chicken, why aren't animal activist groups going after them?

coolkid said:
Chick-fil-a sells chicken, why aren't animal activist groups going after them?

They are too busy going after Kentucky Fried Cruelty.

MaverickLaunch said:
And after all that, I find myself wondering why this topic has not been put out of it's misery...

Because you don't make the rules, and you don't sign the checks that pay for the server, bandwidth or software.

The whole rabbit hole about what you call it (marriage vs. civil union) is irrelevant. It's simpler than that. The fact is that if my gay friends get married, it doesn't change the marriage to my wife, how much I love her or what my relationship is with God or Her or whatever. The "redefine marriage" thing is a thinly veiled attempt to validate something people don't like when they have no dignified argument left. I love the suggestion, "If you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married."

This moron running Chick-fella is free to believe whatever he wants, and say whatever he wants. That's the American way. He's also free to have the company donate money to organizations that actively practice discrimination against other human beings. The law is on his side in these respects.

However, practicing this douchebaggery comes with consequences. History does not look kindly on people who attempt to oppress another group of people. That has nothing to do with the law... basic human respect transcends law.

It doesnt mean they should ever patronize anything they dont like, but run your mouth and boycot a brand and try to get this country on board with it? is just crap.

For this example, Cedar Point could come out and hate on some big press topic.... so does that mean boycot the park??? How many people work there again???? How many people would lose jobs because of one persons comments?? Its bull crap

America has thick skin, so people need to stop bitchen if you dont like whats in the kitchen dont eat it or as I grew up in the 90's with gangster rap if you dont like it dont listen to it but stay off the backs of the people who do work hard who build a business and have no opinion of one other person.

Chic-fil-a will not go out of business they will still cook up some good food.... I am not anti gay I have a few gay friends I am catholic guy whos not perfect but who cares. I hate obama does that mean I am boycotting my taxes???? NO people grew the F up

Pissing off groups who are part of you're profit is just not good business. If he had kept his beliefs and personal opinions to himself without using company money to further promote his stance, there would be no problem. Alas, this is not the case......as he is of course free to do what he wants. Still doesn't mean he's safe from criticism from the groups and supporters of the groups he's against.

Jeff said:

Because you don't make the rules, and you don't sign the checks that pay for the server, bandwidth or software.

I totally get that. I own more than a few websites. But when you have rules (quoted above) that are only selectively enforced, doesn't that take something away from your credibility as a site owner and moderator?

I'm really not trying to stir the pot above... I just take offense to being called a bigot, despite no evidence to the contrary and the typical interweb "pile-on", lemming-slash-mob mentality that prevails. I'm here to talk about coasters. Yet somehow I get sucked into these retarded conversations (admittedly, as much my fault as anyone elses). Shame on me. And shame on the name-callers.

SSL488 said:
I don't want to start any arguments here, but I am not for gay marriage, but I am not against it either. In my opinion, it is what it is...

I am a Catholic and I know that in my religion, it is frowned upon for same sex marriage. I bring this up because doesn't the Chic follow the catholic beliefs? If so, then I can totally understand why they are trying to put down the gay population. Is it right? NO WAY. But it all comes down to what is right and what is wrong. If I was Cedar Point, I would ask the Chic at the point to not put down the gay population. If they choose not to listen to CP, kick them out!

I'm also a Catholic Christian as well. Everything you said I agree with. One thing I would add is that I don't think it's the individual restaurants putting down the gay population. That would be unconstitutional.

Not to be nitpicky, but the private sector can't act unconstitutionally. That document applies to the government alone. Civil rights statutes, on the other hand...

But sexual preference is not a matter of civil rights. Like Mav said, it's not a protected class.

It's not a preference, it's an orientation; something one is born with, and it is indeed the biggest civil rights movement happening right now in the United States. And it is a protected class, regardless of what Mav writes...and is becoming more protected year by year.

Winds of change, my friends. And much welcome winds.

Bigot

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Speaks for itself.

Kevinj said:
And it is a protected class, regardless of what Mav writes...

Except that it isn't. You need to have a look at Title VII. Or any other federal discrimination law. Seriously. Just because you've been to some companies or schools that treat it as such, does not make it so for the whole country. Without saying what I do for a living, let's just say that I know a lot about this subject where the law in concerned. I'm not saying this to advance any opinion here, I'm just saying, you are incorrect.

You can't look at it strictly in terms of law and not look at recent court opinions. There are any number of cases in lower courts regarding gay discrimination that will eventually find their way to the Supreme Court.

MaverickLaunch said:
But when you have rules (quoted above) that are only selectively enforced, doesn't that take something away from your credibility as a site owner and moderator?

You clearly haven't been here long enough to understand just how little I care about credibility. This site has been around since before some of our members were born. It will surely be around well after you stop visiting.

I just take offense to being called a bigot...

Then perhaps you should cease engaging in conversation that paints you as one.

wow ProStar you need to calm down a bit bro, I have the right to spend my money where I choose to and for what reasons I choose to. I started this thread last night not knowing if anyone here would agree with me and it makes me so glad to see that most people here do. My single post won't get anything shut down but when 9 out of 10 people on a 9 page topic then that just might. That's how democracy works bro. as far as people loosing their jobs ill quote Kevin Smith Clerks here

Randal: So they build another Death Star, right?
Dante: Yeah.
Randal: Now the first one they built was completed and fully operational before the Rebels destroyed it.
Dante: Luke blew it up. Give credit where it's due.
Randal:And the second one was still being built when they blew it up.
Dante: Compliments of Lando Calrissian.
Randal: Something just never sat right with me the second time they destroyed it. I could never put my finger on it-something just wasn't right.
Dante: And you figured it out?
Randal: Well, the thing is, the first Death Star was manned by the Imperial army-storm troopers, dignitaries- the only people onboard were Imperials.
Dante: Basically.
Randal: So when they blew it up, no prob. Evil is punished.
Dante: And the second time around...?
Randal: The second time around, it wasn't even finished yet. They were still under construction.
Dante: So?
Randal: A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Dante: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at.
Randal: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
Dante: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
Randal: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed- casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. (notices Dante's confusion) All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia-this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
(The Blue-Collar Man (Thomas Burke) joins them.)
Blue-Collar Man: Excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt, but what were you talking about?
Randal: The ending of Return of the Jedi.
Dante: My friend is trying to convince me that any contractors working on the uncompleted Death Star were innocent victims when the space station was destroyed by the rebels.
Blue-Collar Man: Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer... (digs into pocket and produces business card) Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs.
Randal: Like when?
Blue-Collar Man: Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was.
Dante: Whose house was it?
Blue-Collar Man: Dominick Bambino's.
Randal: "Babyface" Bambino? The gangster?
Blue-Collar Man: The same. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine.
Dante: Based on personal politics.
Blue-Collar Man: Right. And that week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling.
Randal: No way!
Blue-Collar Man: (paying for coffee) I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. (pauses to reflect) You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knewthe risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to this... (taps his heart) not his wallet.

That was long and I'm sorry for it... but I know Ohio is a right to work state. That means you have the right to terminate employment at anytime for any reason. If my company came out with hate speech at any level I would leave in a heart beat. lets see as of April 2012, Chick-fil-A has 1,614 lets say there are 50 people working at each store, This is a very high number but ill use it to prove my point. That's 80,700 minimum wadge probably part time employees. in the US alone there is estimated 4 Million gays. look at the difference. so if this ban were to make Chick-fil-A close it doors tomorrow at every location a small number of people (comparison) will loose a very ****ty job, that would be fairly easy to replace (even in this econmy minimum wadge jobs are pretty easy to come by). As long as they stay in business they will fight to make 4 million peoples lives hell. They will fight to being them down and treat them like less of a person because of who they love.. This is NOT an acceptably argument! I would feel bad for the people who lost their job's only a fraction of what I feel for the millions who are oppressed every day everywhere they turn!

You're telling a half-truth with regard to First Amendment protections. Libel and slander aren't "punishable" because they aren't crimes. You can, however, be sued in civil court.

That's what I find funny about this whole affair. By going on record with the anti-gay stance, the company has zero room for plausible deniability in the event some disgruntled gay employee decides to sue them.

Sophia you remind me of one of my favorite quotes.

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

― Frank Zappa

Its been said over and over again THIS IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION! We as Americans believe we live in a free country, the sad truth is we do not. now before you jump all over me, I will admit we have a lot of freedoms that most countries do not have, BUT our freedoms are kinda pick and choose. We have the freedom of religion, but if your a Mormon and want to take a second wife the law wont allow you too, because its biased on a christian belief. We have the right to believe what we want, but we don't always have the rights to act on those beliefs. In some cases that is good if someone believes in human sacrifice for instance. That is why a truly free society would never work, it would be chaos and anarchy. I feel it is wrong to base our laws on morels of any one religion. This country was NOT founded on Christian believes, in fact quite opposite. have you ever heard of the Jefferson Bible. If a church doesn't want to marry you because say your not a member of the church, or if your want to marry someone of the same sex they should have the right to deny that BUT, if I go down to the court house tomorrow to get married legally it shouldn't matter if I'm am marrying beautiful female fiance or if I'm marrying Jeff, end of story!

KevinL332 said:

Close Chick-fil-A and bring in Chipotle!

That might be the best idea I've ever read on these forums! :)

ProStar said:

Secondly I am a franchisee of a national pizza chain... Now if any particular franchisee made any kind of racist statment or the franchisor for that matter, you should have the commen sence that we all dont have the same views as the person who started all this.

Yes, but it's your responsibility to know what kind of people you're getting involved with up front. As a franchisee, you don't get a free pass just because you didn't do your homework regarding the company you chose to get into bed with.

Cedar Creek Mine Ride said:
If all they are doing though is supporting maintaining the traditional American definition of marriage...

The term "traditional" is completely meaningless. After all, traditionally speaking, slavery and child labor abuse are super awesome, interracial marriage is not, and livestock should change hands in a heterosexual marriage.

MaverickLaunch said:
All I've been asking for here is not to be labeled as a bigot for my views.

Then change your views. I refuse to not label someone as a bigot when they clearly behave as one. This has nothing to do with disagreement. Behave as a bigot, and you'll be rightly called out as one, just as someone spouting racial comments should be called out as racist.

Frankly, I don't care what they do.

So long as they don't get married. When it comes to that, you're intolerant. Fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but that's the very definition of bigotry:

one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Ralph Wiggum said:

KevinL332 said:
Close Chick-fil-A and bring in Chipotle!

That might be the best idea I've ever read on these forums! :)

Huge +1. :)