"Cedar Point is building for the future!"

500th post in this thread.

And just so this isn't total spam... i also think it will be an Intamin rocket coaster.

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Great Ohio Coaster Club member #335

So does 30.9% of CoasterBuzz (and me) :)

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-Eric
Indiana Beach Online

They use decent-quality at best products all over the place. They obviously used a substandard quality cable on MF's lift. They use inferior quality lift chains on their other coasters. And as for knowing their limits, B&M does. They have never tried a launched coaster designed in-house, they have never tried anything overly complex. All their rides are designed well, because they keep their rides moderately sized and complex. Argue all you want, but Intamin uses lesser quality products and sometimes tries to do more than they can reliably. Just ask CP maintenance sometime what they think. -Allan
*** This post was edited by MagnumAllan 7/12/2002 10:06:13 PM ***

Intamin doesn't use lesser quality materials...why sell faulty products in such a small community of buyers? Anyway, I think that B&M's lack of ambition to push the envelope of the extreme will keep them in the dust of companies like Intamin.

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June 28th: LocoBazooka Tour (Sevendust headlining)
July 11th: Korn, Puddle of Mudd, and Deadsy

Intamin "Rocket" coaster doesn't even exist...thats the funny thing here...
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435 ft

100 mph

CP_bound said:
Intamin doesn't use lesser quality materials...why sell faulty products in such a small community of buyers? Anyway, I think that B&M's lack of ambition to push the envelope of the extreme will keep them in the dust of companies like Intamin.

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Intamin can get away with it because their rides do deliver great and comfortable rides. B&M's "lack of ambition" is simply knowing their limits. They do not feel comfortable building anything more daring than they already have, obviously. If a park wants a great ride that will open on time and be mostly problem free, they go to B&M. If a park wants a more daring ride that is cheaper, they go to Intamin knowing that up time will probably suffer a little.
Neo, a "rocket" coaster does exist. It is Xcelerator at Knott's Berry Farm. Intamin calls that style of coaster a "rocket coaster." For proof of them calling it a "rocket coaster," check here: http://www.webautor.ch/intamin/i_news.asp
And as far as your signature goes, 100 MPH would never make it anywhere near 435 ft. unless there was some sort of propulsion on the way up the tower as well.

Well when people are talking about an Intamin "Rocket Coaster", they're talking about an Xcelerator-type Hydrolyic (sp?) launch coaster. It's Intamin's coaster that will compete with the S&S Thrust Air 2000 (TA2k) coaster.

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Tommy Penner - Variable X
"You laugh because I'm different. I laugh because you're all the same!"

MagnumAllan said:
If a park wants a more daring ride that is cheaper, they go to Intamin knowing that up time will probably suffer a little.

Why would any park go into making a multi-million dollar investment on something they know could fail on them? Cedar Fair has gone to Intamin 3 times in the past 2 years, and all have been quality coasters. CF has gone to Intamin those 3 consecutive times because they know that Intamin can build quality rides.

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Tommy Penner - Variable X
"You laugh because I'm different. I laugh because you're all the same!"

Absolutely not. CF went to Intamin because they could build a smooth coaster of gigantic proportions for a great price. Can you imagine how much B&M would have charged to pull off MF? Well over $30 million, at least. MF is still a fantastic ride and is second to WT in my top ten; so it's not like I hate Intamin rides. But just because they provide just as good as, if not even better, rides than B&M's or any other company's rides does not mean they are of the same quality construction.

Actually, Neo, the Rocket Coaster does exist. It's under the news menu over at Intaminworldwide.com, and it talked about Xcelerator at Knott's ;)

-Mikey

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Let your mind go...and your body will follow...

I stand corrected...however, MagnumAllan is incorrect...Intamin does NOT use lesser-quality materials, quite frankly, you just don't like the heights....
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Haha, I love the childish insults most enthusiasts give whenever they have no argument. Well, think about what I said earlier. I never even said anything about their steel in the first place.

Been a long time since I have posted like 5 months or something. Intamin makes some of the best products on the market. They have come through time and time again with new concepts and traditional designs. I don't think you fellas really know what you are talking about when it comes down to quality. Every company has its bad eggs whether it be a car made by Ford, Toyota, or BMW or a coaster made by B&M, Intamin, or Arrow. All I am sayin is Intamin is a good company and I will be very pleased to get any ride made by them. Especially pleased if Cedar Point were to get a Rocket Coaster.

~Chip

Seth Oakley said:
Steel isn't just steel. The way it's manufactured can greatly affect it's strength. The more care a steel firm puts into the mixing of ingredients, the appropriate temperatures, and the right pressure in the rollers, the stronger and less variable the steel will be....
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--Seth

right...I guess I shouldn't comment on something I don't know very much about. :)

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Paul
Soak City+70 degrees=fun? Hey, at least I didn't miss 2 opening days!

I too love Intamin. They push the envelope, constantly come out with new prototypes, and are held in high regards by enthusiasts and the GP alike with the quality rides they dish out.

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June 28th: LocoBazooka Tour (Sevendust headlining)
July 11th: Korn, Puddle of Mudd, and Deadsy

Got to agree with you there, CP Bound. I hate to be the "downer" here, but let me stress again, gang, that I think all this talk specifically about Intamin is dangerous. We're not even sure if Area 51 is for a coaster. Could be a flat ride or something else. I guess I just don't want everyone getting their hopes up on one specific ride, (as everyone is talking about Intamin and Rocket Coasters), and having them be bummed through the off-season.

-Mikey

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Let your mind go...and your body will follow...

For those wanting the 400 footer.

I did some rough calculations and in order to get up to 400 feet the launch would have to be around 110 MPH without friction.

Why is everyone against either Intamin or B&M? I love both of them! Intamin builds larger, more challenging, more advanced coasters. B&M builds smoother coasters using advanced suspension and by fitting the coasters tighter to the track.

Either way I would love to see a new coaster at Cedar Point!!

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Coasters? i thought those were those things you put under drinks? ...am I on the wrong site?

"Intamin uses low quality products and uptime suffers because of it"
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Need I say more? You don't know what you're talking about. Magnums chain broke...was it two years ago? I suppose that coaster has low-quality products as well...don't pretend to know about something you don't..you'd be surprised at what that gets you in life...

Allan: Got news for you, a cable is a cable, and Intamin had nothing to do with its manufacture. Things wear out and you replace them. If Cedar Point didn't play the odds (and lose), you would've never known that cable needed to be replaced.

As for chains, they break. They break on Magnum and Corkscrew too. Sometimes they break on Intamin rides (like the time I walked down from SFA's Superman :)). I don't doubt those chains are made here in the US. The taller the ride, the better chance they'll break sooner because they have more links. So what?

Next reason... you don't have me convinced.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"We used to hate people, now we just make fun of them. It's more effective that way." - KMFDM, "Dogma"