Cedar Point Announces New Water Ride for 2010 Season

crazy horse said:

Because that is not my job. Should have been something they cought early on.They are the ones that designed the ride. So how did that inline twist work out for them?

Exactly. It's not your job. Obviously when they designed the ride and ran it through all of the theoretical software the heart line roll worked out great. But believe it or not, sometimes just because it works on paper OR on a computer doesn't mean it will work in real life.

So how did that inline twist work out for them?

Exactly. It was something that worked on paper (like StRs boats and lift) but when put into practice and tested, it didn't work.

Embarassing? Yes.

Preventable? Maybe.

Rare for engineering? Not really.

Of course, unlike most engineering projects, amusement rides are mostly one-offs. You don't have the luxury of building full size prototypes to see exactly how everything works together in real life.

jo linn said:
I for one would like to know if the darn thing even has water in it yet.

http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/fun/blog/2010/5/12/Almost_There.cfm

tcgolfer said:

Seeing as this flume design is a different design then I have ever seen before outside of Pilgrims Plunge the "It's been done before" argument doesn't work. Especially when you say it's been done for 50 years. Because it hasn't.

Sure it has. Look at snake river falls or even journey to atlantis. Same type of design. It's been proven to work. And how many log flume rides have been built?

Intaman designed perilous plunge(sp) at knotts also. I also have to add that someone fell out of that ride as well. Anther problem that intamin had.

Wow, 1991 was 50 years ago?

Damn I feel old.

^ You just don't like Intamin at all do you? And as much as you can say I'm "Lathering up in the loation". I can say that you seem to have some kind of vendetta against them.

1. Perilous Plunge is a different kind of ride system. And just because someone fell out of a ride doesn't mean it was the designers fault. More than likely it was the idiot who loosened his restraints.

2. Even Pilgrims Plunge at Holiday World is a different lift mechanism. So, as far as I'm aware Intamin hasn't used a lift like this with these boats before.

3. Just because something is "Similar" does not make it the "Same".

Intamin is like that sweet pro bowl football player who keeps getting busted for DUI and domestic violence.

Oh, and I made the lathering up comment, it's not really as bad as you guys are taking it.

Millennium force is in in my top 5 steel coasters. I like the rides they build, it just seems they screw up a lot.And I can't wait to get to ride intimidator. I just find it funny that some people will defend them to the death,no matter how much they screw up.

1.Just another example of the problems they have had. Arrow has built snake river falls and many other of this type ride, and never had this problem happen.

2. Pilgrims plunge has the same type boats though. Even if the lift is differant, the boats and the trough are the same. I think that pilgrims plunge did open late as well.....not sure, but I believe it did.

crazy horse said:
2. Pilgrims plunge has the same type boats though. Even if the lift is differant, the boats and the trough are the same.

And since the problem is the interface between the boats and the lift, I guess you just invalidated Pilgrims Plunge as a comparison.

crazy horse said:
I never said we did by looking at a animation? Where did I say that? Stop putting words in my mouth. I said I looked at the rendering. And also looked at the construction photos. Again, I am no engineer, but I don't have to be to notice that.

No, you said you came to that conclusion before the ride was built:

crazy horse said:
I could have told you that the heartline twist was not gonna work before the ride was built.

It doesn't matter if it was the animation or the static image. Hell, the static image was taken directly from the animation. Both options sound equally absurd.

It's yet another screw up on intamins part none the less.

Do you work for intamin or something? Why do you keep making exuses for them?

He's just pointing out that engineering mistakes happen. They happen all the time in construction. Usually it can be fixed on site but this happens to be something that is a critical part of the ride that cannot be fixed quickly. I'm willing to bet there were a few other mistakes that were worked out throughout the construction process.

I totaly agree with you cpfan420, but with intamin, it is an ongoing problem. They have more problems than any other ride company.

crazy horse said:
I totaly agree with you cpfan420, but with intamin, it is an ongoing problem. They have more problems than any other ride company.

Or maybe you just notice them more because they are at your home park?

I'm not gonna lie. Intamin is probably my favorite rides company. I just like how they are willing to push the envelope. But you can't expect everything to work out 100% of the time. Even Diamondback at KI had issues when it first opened last year.

Actualy, I have been to six flags more than cp in the past few years. Cedar point is not the only park that intamin has had big issues with rides.

What kind of issues did diamondback have?

Like I said above, there are going to be issues with rides when they are built. But intamin has screwed up almost every time they buld something.

B&M roller coasters are renowned for their smooth ride, comfortable seats and restraints, reliability, low maintenance, impeccable safety record and ride capacity. Can the same be said about intamin?

If they were to build another intamin coaster, I would hope it was one of the plug and play coasters they have. Now that would be great. Wooden coasters are one thing that intamin seems to get right.

Just my 2 cents:

While Intamin rides may be a bit less reliable than the competition, they push the envelope and are always offering the next best thing in the coaster world. That, combined with a cheaper price tag than B&M, means they will continue to do well.

Besides, I think their coasters offer a much more exhilarating experience than the competition.

Again, just my opinion.

You get what you pay for.

I agree with some of what you are saying, but when they keep screwing up, time after time, you have to wonder if they are the best choice. And when they can't even get a simple water flume ride right....well that's bad.

Valleyfair Enthusiast said:
That, combined with a cheaper price tag than B&M

Do you have some proof to back that up?

Most of the pricetags I've seen for B&M are consistently a bit cheaper than most of the pricetags I've seen for Intamin.

No doubt they deliver some amazing coasters. Hell they are probably the company that would have the best chance at delivering my 500 footer! But with all of their problems there may be consequences we are all unaware of. But if you try to venture down that route you are obviously a conspiracy theorist.

;)

Like I said in the other thread STR is not the only flume rides with boat problems .. The first Splash Mountain had problems and the Madagascar ride in Singapore is i believe on there second set of boats. so this isn't just with Intamin.

An Engineer is human just like you and me they make mistakes. You make seem like they have to get everything 100% on the first try. For an example look at the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in 1940 failed, and humans have been designing bridges for thousands of years. but it still failed.

Also to bring up the Timberliners are not even ready yet but I don't see any people upset about that.

If this is me lathering up in Intamin and Cp soap or w/e you call it then so be it.

-Coasterkyle
PS 'If you're going to give a manufacturer crap for being late, why discriminate?' - Robb Alvey