Cedar Point 2013

^But we know that doesn't actually mean anything too. A 5 year plan is more of an idea of what they could do. Id say what actually gets done is based of a 2 year outlook. Then we have projects like Ocean Motion and Luminosity that are on a 5 week plan. They can always have surveying done just to see if an idea would fit or to see just what space could be used.

So in theory whatever was being planned in frontier town should be implemented one year prior to whatever is going on around DT? Most of the large ride announcements were prior to me joining this site so I am curious if there have been any pre-cursors associated with these type of markings and pins in the past? Have there been any instances where pins and markings have showed up and nothing ever came about as a result?

^it doesnt necessarily mean that those DT markings aren't for 2013 either. Maybe they just needed one last look at what they were doing.

It is a funny world, I used to enjoy going to the park and riding the rides. Now I found it just as enjoyable finding new markings or noticing small changes. I will however go ahead and give my vote that DT can go anytime. With all of the new lighting and improvements in that general direction it stands out now more than ever, What an eyesore....

99er said:

CoasterKid20 said:
I was just going with the official stats....
....But officially it's all one "universal" coaster.

Who are these officials? If we are talking about RCDB, I wouldn't call them official. If the park built a dueling coaster, they could claim it as 2 different coasters if they wanted. I guess if anyone would be in the position to decide, it would be Guinness if they get involved for a title. I never understood why dueling coasters like Dragon Challenge aren't counted as two. I certainly count them as two credits for my list.

The officials I meant in those posts were the parks themselves. Something like Dragon Challenge I think should for sure count as two (they may be one entity, but their layouts are severely different...way more than Gwazi at least). I have been thinking that if the Coaster Count is really that important to CP, they could try to claim it as two...but I highly doubt a Dueling coaster is coming in 2013. Truthfully, the whole "Dueling Coaster" thing is an endless debate. Two or one, whatever.

Back on the topic of actually 2013. There may be "Five Year Plans" but 99er hit it on the head with the Luminosity and Ocean Motion removal examples (remember Ocean Motion was supposed to go bye bye). The biggest one that could be pointed out was Kinzel mentioning that Shoot the Rapids was supposed to be built for 2009 instead of 2010. Everything was pushed back a year there (and I can't remember if Starlight Experience was just a backup plan or not). Things are constantly changing and who knows where something could go. I think we may be looking at the spot though.

Remember, this isn't the first time markings have shown up in that general area, I believe they started in 2008 or somewhere around there.

Jeff said:

CoasterKid20 said:
Nice Gran Torino reference though.

You honestly think that's where it's from?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=get+off+my+lawn.

Well, from what I know. Werner Stengel began working on MF in 1998. I'm assuming that the park had it at-least planned in 1997. So roughly 3-4 years is the time of conception to public opening.

^Like I said, you can always have an idea of what you want 5 years from now and even have everything done right up to production of the materials but that does not necessarily mean it will happen.

walleyewhacker said:

I saw some of these pin's last year over in the frontier path. I wonder what they were mapping out over there?

They can be for just about anything, even dull mundane things like mapping power/water lines. You can find the exact same pins in lots of places, not just amusement parks. All it means is that at some point, some surveying work was done in the area. I doubt they bother to pull them up when they're done.

You have quite the vocabulary.... I highly doubt they would be spending 50-60 million on a coaster. Where are you even getting those numbers?

Quite the vocabulary is putting it mildly. Also Leviathan, a 306 feet tall B&M giga, cost only 28 million. Besides Matt O already said Cedar Point would be getting a $25 Millon investment.

I know that leviathan was only 28 mil but come on cedar point doesnt sloutch when they play the game. And as all of you were saying, how many years has it been, it has to be something big, well i guess i like to dream big, 50 mil big. Back to reality, your getting a dive machine, that's it, for let's say 22, the point will home the first Giga dive machine (longest, tallest, fastest, most inversion, and whatever else they can tac on to it), the only 2 in country are south (Tampa and Williamsburg) its "new" and they are great rides, much better than winged anything. as for wood to much space and not nearly enough records to break, and the mountain doesn't have one either so you can get away with unique. my vocab tends to be extremely tasteful when it needs to be. the price is right and so is the area, it's going behind the cobra on the raptor. Why remove the wildcat when you are going for most coaster, there enough space for a real coaster there, personally I don't know why they don't run out to the island more with there track, but that's just me. Tight the area is but big enough to do it, 45 degree lift, 90 degree drop, it right though the street (ok maybe not the street, even though that would be legit. Boom nough said
What ya think?

Isn't there a minimum age limit here?

Ragebull - lose the ridiculous and offensive "vocab" and try using punctuation, sentences and paragraphs. While you may only have the maturity of a 12 year old, there's no need to write like it.

Ragebull, please stop.

It may be the wonderful freedom of the internet and the US but I'm afraid talk like that may get you banned from here. Jeff & Walt are usually pretty good with the rules and I haven't been around here long enough to have someone saying stuff like that on here. They give chances, but will only give so much. If you want to stick around, just follow my advice and please stop.

As for Wing Riders, I know many who have ridden X-Flight and say it is a terrific coaster. There is no way $50 million will be spent on a coaster in the park (yes, I'll dare say it, unless it's a B&M Dueling Coaster of some sort). You have all this bad stuff to say about B&M when they build quality rides yet you say you like Dive Machines. Are you aware that B&M builds those too?

Personally I'd love to see a Dive Machine at the Point, a lot to toy with there. There is also a lot to toy with for a Wing Coaster as well.

I don't want a dive machine. They are pretty much one hit wonders. You get one drop, then an inversion, then another drop, then if you're lucky a second inversion, boring turns and maybe a splash down and it's over.

Yo bro, calm yourself, my name is ragebull. I love B&M, and I know more about coaster than you might think. It's going to be a 18-23 mil dive machine, which puts it in giga range. There not getting any type of substantial wing or hybrid for anything less than 25 from B&M. I just feel they arnt as good as they once were, no creativity (lets just add some mist here, and o, o a tower fly through there and boom we will hit them with decent g's right at the end.....)

to be honest your name screams, you were still in the womb when I was taking my first ride on force (no disrespect, but come on dude, all that's left for coasters is the mountain and the point.....and maybe some of the craziness they're doin in the far east, but that's it, period anything less than spectactualar and it would be disgraceful)

I'm aware of what your name is. I was just wondering why you were knocking B&M.

Wild Eagle just opened at Dollywood with a price tag being less than 25 million. Look at the most popular coasters at CP (Millennium Force, Top Thrill Dragster & Maverick) all built for $25 million or less. $50 million is crazy talk right now. Anything in B&M's catalog could probably be built for $25 million, and a decent amount of Intamins catalog as well.

As for my name, well, I'm a kid at heart, but I was plenty old enough when the Force opened to ride it (actually quite old enough). So, no disrespect, but don't judge a book by its cover.

Haha, the craziness they're doing in the far east. Yeah there are some pretty crazy coasters over there and sadly I won't be making it over there anytime soon just to ride them. However, how come Canada's Wonderland isn't on your list? They have just as many as Cedar Point does and have been building great coasters as of late (well, two B&Ms that are good I guess). It's not all about the coasters anymore (sure I'd love a good coaster, but this is a business). Sometimes things have got to go and both Magic Mountain and Cedar Point have realized that by now (They've switched places of this so called "Crown" so many times because of ride removals or something along the lines of that). Big steps for both parks. $25 million is a pretty good price tag for a coaster, that's more than most parks would invest in one. If anything $25 million from B&M were coming to the Point next year, I'm sure everyone here will be ecstatic (well, a decent number at least)

As for your "Giga Dive Machine" statement. I have been waiting to see one of those pop up. With B&M going over 300 feet now, it may be closer than we think. Could you just imagine hanging over the first drop on that puppy?

I'm going to have to review the photos posted here...

On Sunday, I looked closely at the midway surrounding the Space Spiral. The survey pin of course stood out "like a sore thumb", and I spotted a red dotted line that is obviously a water line (in spite of the usual color code) and a dotted white line that I couldn't immediately identify.

But none of that paint was fresh. In fact, I think it's been there since they marked the midway for construction of maXair. Certainly that isn't what everybody is getting all excited about...?

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

^I swore some of the markings had been there for awhile (as I mentioned earlier). I wasn't sure if new markings had gone up or not but I do remember some being there not too long ago (when everyone was getting excited about a GCI Woodie named Cyclone possible going there). Someone will let us know what's new and whats not I'm sure.

25 million was for total capital expenditures for next year, that could mean 15-20 for a possible coaster (top rated woodie) and whatever is left for upgrades throughout the park. Who knows, just have to play the waiting game.

I will be at the park tomorrow and will be looking high and low for any thing that will tip off a ride. but if i dont see any true signs of dirt moving or anything like that i will be losing hope. I know around the end may when marvrick was built track was on the grounds. my .02