(Casinos) The second biggest little city in the world

So you were surprised at the level of interest but agree that people generally don't care? Which is it?

Oh god, I'm probably the only (just turned) 14 year-old in the US that enjoys talking politics but here's my two sense.

I have a feeling next election parties aren't going to play a huge role. It's either going to be your for Campbell or your going to vote for the other guy. Wheather he's a dem or a repub there are enough people who hate Campbell that will vote for anyone that decides to run and has the adequate finaces. Now wheather or not she deserves it is a different story but I've learned the public at the ballot booth doesn't always run people out for the right reasons. Like in our little town, (little city politics aren't the same but they're close enough) the mayor got run out because of the fact that our schools sucked. We elect a school-board for that but there were still idiots that ran the mayor out of town. Of course city-politics have always bored me. Columbus is much more interesting to watch. Can't wait till '06. The governor election is going to be a fun one. ;)

Fastball for president, 2028 ;)

Read carefully Jeff, "people living in the Cleveland AREA and NOT the city generally don't care about local politics" That does not include those who DO live in the city (which of course the "city" around here is Cleveland.

All along my point has been about people who actually live in the city and thus get to vote for the Cleveland mayor.

Fastball, two thoughts. One i have to do some homework but i know there were more than two running for the mayoral office with Lady Jane. And i think all were the big D. And if there was a conservative it wasn't someone who was all that "right". In the local politic scene you don't need to be all that well know throughout the area to have some success. I think you'll see a hotly contested race.

Two, don't dismiss the local scene so easily. Sure its not a sexy as the fed or even the state. But the local scene is not only the easiest way to get involved with politics, but also much easier and more realistic to have a promenent role in how your city operates. Remember many local offices are of the part time variety. And unlike Washington what happens at city hall always has a direct impact on you.

Boatman...get used to those paper vouchers. Even many of the hotels on the strip in Vegas are moving to the paper vouchers verus coins.

If you think about it, paper vouchers are much less hassle than coins for the casionos themselves, and for patrons, espeically with the popularity of the dime, nickel and even penny slots.

No more hoppers to jam.

Thanks, OldCPer, especially for reminding me that this thread was about casinos, not a thread about the political attributes and shortcomings of Cleveland's mayor.

I understand the whole thing about the paper slips, but it's more tempting to play your credits when the machine uses the vouchers. And playing credits is bad.

If it gets to a point where tokens are totally out of the picture and you can only insert the slips or actual currency in the machines, you'll have to calculate how many pulls (or button pushes) it will take to exhaust the initial pay-in (figuring max bet on each pull) so you can assess where you stand afterward. Otherwise, you'll keep playing, which means playing the credits you've won. And if you do that long enough, you'll often end up with nothing.

Online advice I've read about slot strategy suggests not playing credits and making sure you leave the casino with something in your pocket.

And now, we return you to Jane Campbell Cross-Fire.
*** Edited 3/14/2005 7:58:57 PM UTC by Boatman***
*** Edited 3/14/2005 7:59:55 PM UTC by Boatman***

Gener, that's the problem. I live in Brooklyn, Ohio. Small old people town USA. No laws have been changed or created this year. Our council meetings compose of people complaining their neighbor never cuts their grass. I don't need it to be sexy. I just don't want it to be a grandma. ;)

imadj said:
Heck, I feel they should have made Portside in toledo a casino. Nothing against COSI, but I feel the casino would have made the downtown area better. I still don't understand how COSI stays open, with most of its customer being school field trips.

COSI stays open thanks to generous donations and hard working volunteers. Many of the people you see there are volunteers, and just as many behind the scenes. They still do have a hard time keeping a budget from what I remember, but this may have changed in the last couple of years.

Boatman said:

If it gets to a point where tokens are totally out of the picture and you can only insert the slips or actual currency in the machines, you'll have to calculate how many pulls (or button pushes) it will take to exhaust the initial pay-in

I don't see how playing credits is a problem. If you put in $50 on the dollar slots you know that if your credits fall below 50 you are losing, and anything above 50 are winnings. How is that confusing, or even something that requires calculations?

For Pete's sake!

If you start with $50 in quarter tokens, for example, you know that everything that pops up in the credits tally after each coin(s) insertion and pull are winnings. When the $50 in tokens you are putting into the machine (1, 2, 3, or sometimes 5 at a time) are gone, you know what you've won.

If you put a $50 in a quarter-slot machine, it will register 200 credits. How do you know when you've played the initial investment and how do you know what your winnings are versus the initial investment? Some people are interested in keeping track of that.

With tokens, you know what you've won after each coin insertion and each pull.

The other way, you start out with the full amount. It's easy to say that anything over $50 in credits are your winnings, but your credits will fluctuate in the course of playing unless you're on the tight slot machine from hell, in which case you'll just keep playing -- with no winnings -- until your $50 is gone.

So if credits are fluctuating because of winnings, how do you know when you've played the initial $50 investment? With coins, it's obvious, unless you feed all the coins into the machine at once. With the slips, you have to calculate the number of pulls -- in the case of $50, at a max bet of 3 tokens, 66 pulls -- to determine where you stand after playing through the initial $50. Hence, you have to count your pulls to determine when the initial $50 is expended and what the winnings versus that investment are.

Of course, this is just a preference. I've just found that playing through winnings (credits in this case) is a good way to leave a casino empty-handed.

The casinos want you to think of them as credits and not money. That way you just play as if there were no money involved. Same principal with the chips at the tables. Their pretty to look at, just like Monopoly money. So you really don't think of them as cash.

Tambo,

That is SO true! Even with cash. When I look at a $20 in a casino I see less than when I look at a $20 in a grocery store.

But I like the voucher machines. It took awhile for me to catch on to them, but the ease of cashing out, no black fingers (from dirty coins), and the fact that the odds SEEM to be better has won me over.

Besides, hit max bet on a nickel machine and you'll be feeding nickels forever (90 nickels is a lot of nickels!)

MrScott

You lose more money playing the nickel slots than the dollar slots!

I generally stick to the quarter slots, but that's because all the blue-hairs have the penny and nickel machines. Overall, I am much more of a BlackJack person than slots. Slots are fun to play, but not as much fun as sitting at a blackjack table.

As far as mayors go, check out Kwame ThugPatrick in Detroit. Never travels without an entourage (sp) less than 6 or 7. Gives 6 figure jobs to relatives to work at a non-profit charity (figure that one out!!). Fires anyone who tries to investigate the underside of how he runs the city. It will be interesting to see if he has a chance in the next election, but the people have a tendency to vote on name recognition more than anything else. That's why the people on the city council have kept their seats as long as they have.

This somewhat true, Tambo, but you can also play for a LOT longer, and I've found I made a proft by playing nickel slots over quarter slots so long as you know which slots to play that have the least amount of money in versus returns. Slots with "bonus games" tend to pay out quite a bit more if you know how to play them.

Boatman, my trick with the vouchers, although not as nifty as having two buckets of coins (one I'm putting into the machine, one that holds my winnings) is to "cash out" if my winning credits is double what I've put in. This means, of course, having to turn the voucher in to get cash, put the winnings aside, and start over again.

My last time at a casino (MGM Grand in Detroit), I had my initial $100, and worked off that on various machines (usually putting in $10-20 at a time). Each time I cashed out, I put the vouchers aside.

Once I went through the initial $100, I cashed in the vouchers and had a profit. I put the profit and enough of the original aside to total my original $100, and started again with what was left. This way I was guaranteed to come back with my original $100.

The second time around, all vouchers were pure profit and once the cash was gone, I quit.

I think a casino would look great in the upper level of the ballroom or arcade.

You will never see a casino in the amusement park. I'm sure any CP casino would be outside the park, probably off the peninsula as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see one somewhere in Breakers. That would really add to the allure of that hotel. It's not like there aren't enough hotels to stay at in Sandusky if they don't feel like staying at a casino.

It'll never happen. Casinos are 24-7 business. I doubt very much that they want people out and about in the dead of winter on-Point.

Forgot about winter. I'm such a dodo-brain. ;)

OldCPer said:
Boatman...get used to those paper vouchers. Even many of the hotels on the strip in Vegas are moving to the paper vouchers verus coins.

If you think about it, paper vouchers are much less hassle than coins for the casionos themselves, and for patrons, espeically with the popularity of the dime, nickel and even penny slots.

No more hoppers to jam.

Yes, Alliance Gaming and International Gaming Technologies love the coinless slots. They decrease the drop time, decrease the psychological impact of losing decrease labour costs, increase security, and are simply more convenient for elderly gamblers. If you have ever played the slots for a couple of hours with filthy coins, you know what I mean.

I still like to hear the coins rattle though....