Any word or thought on a ride for 2006???

I very confident that cedar point will not take out DT. Just like they will not take out Mean Streak.

If they want to take out a ride every year to make room for a new ride, they will not keep the record for most rides in a park for too long.

As for 2006, i think we are going to get the tast of more flat rides, before maXair cedar point wasn't known for their flat rides. I can see us getting a Screaming Swing, and another Huss ride (Jump2 or Topple Tower).

The Next coaster(S) will not come until 2007. I think that's when the expansion in the parking lot begins with a brand new entrance, shops, restaurants, etc. And don't think this will all be completed in 1 year, it will take a while under the new CEO.

Yeah it seems very Highly that next year we will see another Flat which is cool. I don't mind seeing another coaster until 2007.

I doubt that Cedar Point is going to take out a ride every year. Especially the RollerCoasters! You might see Disaster Transport go and if you do that would be the only rollercoaster to go anywhere. Something would replace Disaster Transport, and I'm thinking of a wooden hybird. Mean Streak they will never get rid of because its their second woodie in the park and its still a good wooden coaster.

And another thing. I think the next coaster will probably come into Frontiertown because that area of the park was talked about first as far as improvements in the park. I agree that we will see the expansion into the parking lot, but don't look for us to go way way out there in the parking lot. I think 10 rows of parking spaces is all Cedar Point would expand into.

Don't look for Cedar Point to add a 500 foot coaster until the new CEO comes in. That might happen in 2009 or later. I don't think Cedar Point wants to get into the habbit of breaking the height limit every 3-4 years. I mean come on Top Thrill Dragster is only 3 years old!! Just because Kinzel said he's going out with a bang doesn't mean we are going to build the worlds tallest coaster again! That's my opinion.

You're right, i don't see DT going anywhere, just like how i don't see MS going anywhere.

As for the coaster(S) for 2007, i think it will be a dueling Floorless/Flyer in Frontier Town.

Plus, i think that construction into a little bit of the parking lot will begin in 2007 for the following years.

I'm going to throw out a different idea. Someone may have mentioned it before here or on coasterbuzz, but I'm going to say it again. I think the best new attraction for Cedar Point to add, would be something along the lines of the new turkey round up thing Holiday World is adding. They could theme it to Snoopy fighting the Red Barron to keep with the Peanuts thing. Maybe use laser blasters to try to hit the Red Barron or something. I think you could put it in the old pirate ride building.

Cedar Point has been adding lots of attractions for the "coaster" people recently, and nothing really that people of all ages would enjoy. If done properly, the ride could be somthing the little kids, teens, and even the adults could enjoy riding. I'm pretty sure the people who spend the most money in the theme parks per capita are the parents with their kids, and this is an area of the population that I don't feel Cedar Point has been adding new attractions for recently and as an investor, this is something that I feel would benefit the park greatly. Additionally, the park has been adding the tallest and fastest coasters, and the attendance has been continuing to drop. So why would a new coaster next year be any different? I think that it may be time for the park to move in a new direction and try something different, like a Red Barron Hunt ride.

I know there will be some people here who will say that Cedar Point isn't good at keeping up with the themeing, pointing to Disaster Transport. I believe that Cedar Point can maintain a ride's themeing. This probabbly has to do with the return on investment that Cedar Fair puts at a high priority, and is an issue I don't want to get into right now. Also, part of Disaster Transport's deteroriating theaming may have to do with the fact that Kinzel didn't think it was a good investment to begin with.

As for the coaster, I don't know that the Frontier area is really the best location because that is the only area that has a decent amount of shade. It is the only area to go sit and relax for a while and get out of the heat.

Having ridden both Raptor and Dominator (back when it was Knight Flight), I can tell you that both rides have a very similar feel to them, the only big difference is that the floorless rides have a slightly more open feel to them, with the wheel chassis under you rather than just above your head. My fear is that if they put in a floorless coaster, it will be awfully similar to Raptor.

Shawn Meyer said:

Just because Kinzel said he's going out with a bang doesn't mean we are going to build the worlds tallest coaster again!

When Did Kinzel ever say he wanted to go out with a bang. Correct me if I'm worng, (show me a link) but the "out with a bang" theory is something that got started by pointbuzzers and/or coasterbuzzers.

0g

Additionally, the park has been adding the tallest and fastest coasters, and the attendance has been continuing to drop.

Continued to Drop? Isn't this the first year in a while that attendance has gone down? Also, don't you think it has more to do with the economy than wether or not a new ride has been added? The average family probably wouldn't even be able to go on half the rides at CP in a day. For someone who only lives about hour away their gas comsumption has gone up about $6 dollars per trip just in the last year, plus Admission has gone up about a Dollar (right?) just about every year. Plus the "in park" ammenities have also gone up in price. If your going with a family of four, in an economy such as this, sacrifices have to be made to pay the bills and I would think that entertainment is usualy first on the chopping block.

Ok Sorry about that statement there, I didn't know that. How has attendance dropped though? I really don't see a drop unless you look at rides like Magnum, Mean Streak, etc. I think you are right though that attendance has probably just dropped for this year. You see the gas prices are at like 2.67 a gallon in some areas. In my area is only 2 cents off. So that being said it costs like $30-$32 to fill a whole tank of gas. For a family that maybe has a conversion van or something, that's gotta be like $60 or more to fill their gas tank.

And I don't know about the Red Barron Idea but I"m sure there is some sort of Family ride Cedar Point could put in. Look at the Woodstock Express. I ride that once in a while, it's actually really fun for a family coaster. I'd ride it again sometime. Another thing, I really doubt if Cedar Point puts in a floorless, it would be the same as Raptor. I'm sure Cedar Point would come up with a unique layout that is fun and that doesn't take away the shade. Maybe they can ask Will Koch from Holiday World his opinion. You seen how Raven was built, why not do the same in Frontiertown?

As much as I would love to see another B&M (floorless or flyer) in the park, and as much as I would like to see it cleverly themed to work into Frontiertown (ie: a 'rusty' track like Wildfire or Nemesis), I do hope they take the Holiday World approach back there.

As of late, CP seems to have the "Meh.. they'll grow back, eventually" mindset when it comes to the trees in the park. Everything from the front of the park back to Magnum is still in the re-growth process. If a huge chunk of land is completely leveled for a new coaster, it will most definetly make a HUGE difference back in Frontiertown. MF was worked in well, and the first overbank and tunnels don't intrude too much on the trail. However, if an entire coaster goes back in the much-talked-about Swan Boats/WWL/Antiques area, I'm afraid of how it will actually turn out.

Trees... Roller Coaster... Trees... Roller Coaster...

Not a tough choice for me. But I do understand what you are saying.

Race for the Fry said:
Trees... Roller Coaster... Trees... Roller Coaster...

Not a tough choice for me. But I do understand what you are saying.

Haha, that's pretty funny. I would definately choose a new ride over trees. CP can always buy new trees.

If you take out the trees then you kinda ruin The Cedar Point Penisula because that's another well known reason Cedar Point is known for.

Race for the Fry said:
Trees... Roller Coaster... Trees... Roller Coaster...

Both can be achieved... which is why I said "I hope they take the Holiday World approach"

It doesn't have to be a one-or-the-other scenario

I know what you meant, I was just messin around.

People go to ride the coasters, not the trees. HOWEVER, the trees do add to it. I never saw what Iron Dragon was like before TTD because my first visit to the park was 2003. In the artist's picture of maXair the area is filled with big trees, but when the park opened in May those trees were quite small. Obviously in years to come they will grow, but it looked so much better in the artists rendering. Don't get me wrong, the maXair area looks great, especially with the grass around it and the flowers. I like the atmosphere in Frontier Town, I like the trees back there and on the Frontier Trail. I'll be heading to the park in a couple of days and I plan on surveying the back of the park. I got a bigger memory card for my camera so I will post them on Wednesday.

Thanks Vince, I can't wait to see them. I'm going tomorrow so I'm going to study the area myself. I have done some studying at home as far as if you take out Disaster Transport and Demon Drop you have a lot of room to put something cool in. Once again the key word I said here was IF!!

Now I think you can hide a good size floorless into Frontiertown without taking out too many trees. The Rollercoaster could be just as tall as Dominator maybe taller and you throw in the inversions, maybe a couple tunnels, you could still save the trees. I'd like to see interlocking Corkscrews go in, thats something that wouldn't be identical to Raptor.

Ok, since we're talking about putting in a coaster in FT, what if CP gets rid of WWL? No doubt there would be enough space for a descent sized coaster....but how would it make you feel if WWL was demolished, or sold in order to make room?

Here we go again with: "I'll be at the park on ______day and will take a look at _________."

I wouldn't really care because it is a water ride. CP has TC and SRF. Besides WWL should have gone in Soak City even though SC wasn't there when they built it.

Out with the old and in with the new.

Jason Hammond,
I looked to find the attendance records for CP, and was only able to find 1999-2004. (1999 = 3.2, 2000 = 3.4, 2001 = 3.1, 2002 = 3.2, 2003 = 3.3, 2004 = 3.1, all in millions of guests)
To me, it looks like the attendance is gradually dropping over the years, then slightly increasing whenever a new coaster is added.

I agree with you that there may be more involved than just a new ride being added. I think the cost of gas is going to be a very big issue, especially here at the end of summer as prices keep going up. The point I was trying to make is that I think an interactive dark ride would be a better investment than a new roller coaster.

As to White Water Landing, I don't really think that they should remove that ride. What if you want to go on a water ride, but don't want to get soaked? Thunder Canyon and Snake River Falls both soak you. That is why White Water Landing should not be removed.

*** Edited 8/28/2005 3:27:46 AM UTC by 0g***

Looks like Up, down, up, up, down to me...

Wicked twister was added in 2001 and it dropped.

TTD was added in 2003 and it barely increased.

I would say new rides have a small affect in the attendance of the average guest. But, if new rides were not added I do feel that over time, the attendance would drop more.

I also agree that WWL plays a nice role in the park. It's a relaxing non-soaking family water ride. If it were to be removed, I think something else equivelant should be put in it's place.
*** Edited 8/28/2005 1:36:47 PM UTC by Jason Hammond***

Wicked Twister was a 2002 addition and attendance rose a bit that year.