Any predictions on the new Wing-Coasters name?

I *highly* doubt this will be any more advanced than a normal wing-coaster. Not 4-D and nothing additionally special than what we have already seen from B&M and they other wing-coasters.

Who here has actually been on a Wingrider? Is it a gimmick like a stand up coaster or is a legitimate new experience? Also I know it has been beaten to death here but with the work that B&M will be doing at CP a Mantis retrofit WILL be awesome to swap out floorless trains. Not only will it be a less forcefull and in my opinion a much more enjoyable and new experience but a possible return to a 3 train op! I think the GP will go nuts for it.

I rode Raptor yesterday in the front row on the end of the train, far right to be exact. Being on the end with your feet dangling and nothing beside you is a really great experience, and is more fun than in the middle seats, i my opinion. That being said, I think that a wing coaster will be like that, x20.

I have not been on a wingrider so I'm trying to compare the best I can

I like Wild Eagle better than X-Flight. As far as them being a gimmick, yes they are. But, aren't all coasters built nowadays gimmicky?

I haven't been on a wingrider, but I have been on the outside seat of Griffon a million times. It is a different experience. I am assuming wingriders are similar based off of watching the pov videos on youtube.

Similar, but not the same experience.

clevelander said:
Who here has actually been on a Wingrider? Is it a gimmick like a stand up coaster or is a legitimate new experience? Also I know it has been beaten to death here but with the work that B&M will be doing at CP a Mantis retrofit WILL be awesome to swap out floorless trains. Not only will it be a less forcefull and in my opinion a much more enjoyable and new experience but a possible return to a 3 train op! I think the GP will go nuts for it.

Will be awesome? I didn't know they were doing that. AFAIK they can't. I'm confused though, your post sounds like they are swapping trains?

^Why couldn't they? I'm not saying that I think it will happen, but the argument "the ride wasn't designed for..." isn't a really good one. Any park that converts their roller coaster trains or any other feature was not designed for modification in the first place.

^ True. I'd say it's pretty unknown if it could be done because it would cost some research money to find out the feasibility.

B&M designs thier rides around a riders heartline and the heartlines for the two riding styles are different. Converting the ride may put too much force on the riders or cause issues for the train.  I wouldn't say it's impossible, but it is highly unlikely that the effort would be made to study the effects (would a new train have enough momentum to complete the course) and rebuilding expenses for the station.

As for the new ride.. took 4 or 5 spins on the wing rider at Dollywood last month and simultaneously lost my excitement for the new coaster rumored to be coming to Cedar Point.  The experience is slightly new and different, but for me it's still pretty simalar to what you get on an invert.  Add to that an uncomfortable strap restraint that tightens up and digs into your shoulder blades and/or leaves you feeling like there's no room to breath and you can understand how I'm underwhelmed.  Hopefully CP's ride has some amazing and unique elements that make the ride stand out.  I'm also hoping there's a seperate load and unload area too, because those dispatch intervals on Wild Eagle were ridiculously long.

I honestly think they could....people state the elements are different for stand ups. Many of the elements on Mantis are the same as standard floorless coatsers (save for the inclined loop). You stand on Mantis but arent all floorless cars technincally elevated into a higher seating position than standard sit down trains so that your heart or body mass should be at the same level or close to as standing?

clevelander said:
Many of the elements on Mantis are the same as standard floorless coatsers...

Just because elements look the same doesn't mean they are the same.

Another subject beaten into the ground...but, I also would enjoy Mantis so much more if they were floorless trains. I think one concern might be the weight difference of the two trains. I know I've seen Mantis, particularly in the mornings, barely clear some of the inversions and, I would assume that the floorless trains would weight considerably less. Tell me if that wouldn't be a concern.

As to the Winged Coaster confirmed by Sandusky Register (take it for what it's worth) and sort of by CP, I think that no matter whether or not the coaster does something new, at least it is a new coaster. I remember the skepticism surrounding the tame Maverick when it was first built. And, yes, it is not as intense as TTD or MF but it still brought a new idea that added a new coaster to the park.

I think with Ouimet, this is going to be the last coaster for a little while. He wants to focus on the family (appropriately so in my opinion) and I think he will encourage other family oriented experiences.

So, for now, I'm excited for the hopeful addition, no matter what it does, and if I had the chance to choose I would agree on the name I saw here a couple of days ago "Superstition". Please just not another animal (soon enough everyone would be complaining there are three animal named coasters in the park - not including Woodstock).

I'm sure I've repeated a lot of what other people have said. Just take it as my two cents.

All I'm going to say is that the memo and official announcement match regarding the removal of Space Spiral and Disaster Transport. I do however, wish to think this new coaster will be one of the most unique of its kind whether it be a wingrider, 4th dimension (which are pretty awesome), or even maybe a floorless :/

~*matTb. said:
I remember the skepticism surrounding the tame Maverick when it was first built. And, yes, it is not as intense as TTD or MF but it still brought a new idea that added a new coaster to the park.

I think with Ouimet, this is going to be the last coaster for a little while. He wants to focus on the family (appropriately so in my opinion) and I think he will encourage other family oriented experiences.

Well Maverick was really the first of its kind so no one really knew what it would be like. Also Ouimet mentioned Cedar Point will always be known for its roller coasters. We will never see 4 coasters in 5 years again but the intervals will probly be one every six years I'm guessing.

I do agree that stand-up coasters are a gimmick, but converting Mantis doesn't seem like it's worth the effort (read: dollars).

And about the restraints at Dollywood, are there different styles availible for Wing trains? Because they don't sound pleasant. Lap bar only would be superb (I can dream, eh?)

As far as I know, there's only the one style. My experience wasn't excruciating, but it was disappointingly uncomfortable enough that I didn't spend much of my ERT time re-riding (there were better coasters open). Your opinion of the restraint may differ, but I'd rather have the old B&M over-the-shoulder than these new ones.

In general, I'm not an over-the-shoulder kind of guy. I hate that I can't put my hands up on Raptor even though those aren't terrible. I know some people hate Maverick's, but I don't find them bad (I'm 6 feet tall). Still, I much prefer something like Millennium Force :D (Magnum's hurt my thighs on the airtime hills for some reason)

Are these it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DW_Wild_Eagle.JPG they look quite odd

I'd take the wing coaster restraints over ANY other OTSR any day of the week......ESPECIALLY other B&M OTSRs. Headbanging is virtually non existent on the wing coaster design and that makes it a winner in my books. Plus, they adjust to the rider. Not many restraints do that. The padding may not be the softest but I can't imagine it being as bad as what I-305 had going for it before it changed to softer restraints.

TTD 120mph said:
I'd take the wing coaster restraints over ANY other OTSR any day of the week......ESPECIALLY other B&M OTSRs. Headbanging is virtually non existent on the wing coaster design and that makes it a winner in my books. Plus, they adjust to the rider. Not many restraints do that. The padding may not be the softest but I can't imagine it being as bad as what I-305 had going for it before it changed to softer restraints.

I've never been to King's Dominion, so I haven't ridden I305, but why does it have OTSRs? Intamin has built a slightly bigger and faster gigacoaster that has lap bars that I'm sure all of us here have ridden. Slapping OTSRs on a ride just to have OTSR seems dumb. And this is coming from an OTSR apologist (I don't mind their use on coasters with inversions)

Intamin has put those restraints on nearly all their coasters since like 2004. We got lucky that Dragster didn't have them.