A ride that CP doesn't have & you wish it would...

I’m not quite sure how one would rule out a 200 foot woodie. I’d be all for it. Heck I’d be all for a world class wooden coaster as a whole regardless of height. I think it has been proven that height and speed does not define a coaster’s popularity.

CPVet said:

Why any of you would want a B&M hyper installed when the park already has two far superior hyper models (Magnum and SV) is beyond me. Although I thought Fury was simply amazing (and I’ve been told I caught it on a really good day when it was actually running fast), B&M’s 200-footers are some of the dullest big coasters I’ve ever been on, with Raging Bull being the absolute worst with that trim on the third hill. If you just have to ride a B&M hyper, go to KI and don’t wish one upon the sacred grounds of Cedar Point ;)

If you follow the conversation back a little ways, the B&M conversation started when they suggested a wooden hyper built by RMC. I suggested something like Diamondback would be different enough from MF/SV/Magnum as a wooden coaster for it to fit into the park lineup. From there, it turned into a conversation about B&M somehow.

World class coaster? What does that mean?

Probably means a well-liked ride.

Or maybe one that held records or won awards?

I think the world is done with 200ft wooden coasters after son of beast and even mean streak which when it’s that bad at 161ft why on earth would cp build a taller one? They didn’t want the one they had.

I guess you aren't very familiar with RMC making "wood" coasters at those scales using their topper track?

I've actually heard of it. How do those ride?

CP Maverick said:

I guess you aren't very familiar with RMC making "wood" coasters at those scales using their topper track?

I would argue that Topper Track has far more in common with a hybrid coaster than a wood coaster.

A wood coaster uses wood rails with plate steel on top, which basically serves as a durable surface on which the wheels travel. Topper Track (see below) uses rectangular tubular steel on top of wood. The only distinction between Topper Track and I-box is that there's wood "track" beneath Topper Track. But the point is that both I-Box and Topper Track provide a steel coaster "ride" on a wooden structure.

Look at it this way - at one theoretical extreme you have very thin plate steel on top of wood track. That's a traditional wood coaster. At the other theoretical extreme, you have 10 inches of tubular steel separating the wheels from the wood. Sure, you get a much smoother ride, and can do things wood coasters cannot, but at some point it ain't a wood coaster anymore. It's a hybrid coaster. And I, for one, would rather have a wood coaster, since CP has plenty of steel and hybrid variants already.

I honestly don't get the "OMG a 200 foot wood coaster would be awesome" argument. This is real life, not RCT. I would much rather CP add something like Mystic Timbers (109') or even The Voyage (another hybrid, standing at a "mere" 159'), rather than try for some ridiculous, meaningless record at the expense of ride quality.

dj, im pretty sure we’re all aware of the differences between gci, rmc topper, and rmc ibox.

The truth is, everyone markets rmc topper as wood and ibox as hybrid/steel.

Intamin could deliver a 200' Prefab if old grudges die soft.

Intamin put Cedar Point on the map. Not B&M or even Arrow.

Did you forget about Corkscrew's 3 inversions? Gemini's height and speed records? Magnum's height and speed records? Etc? Intamin didn't even exist yet.

Sorry to be that guy, but:

Gemini never was the tallest or the fastest.

Intamin's first roller coaster at Cedar Point opened in 1979, 10 years before Magnum. (Y'all know which coaster right?)

But I agree, I think Magnum was what really kick started CP as being known (inter?)nationally for coasters.

Edit:forgot to add "at Cedar Point". I'm a dunce.

I feel like cedar point is kind of in a lottery situation with the records. Take two totally different rides marketed based on their records: Valravn and Steel Vengeance. For Valravn, the experience is a bit mediocre, it's just the drop and that's really the best part of the ride(okay, the roll was pretty good). I only ride it during early entry and that's usually it. It was fun, didn't bore me, but didn't wow me too much either.

Steel Vengeance on the other hand is much more different. That ride went off the records of being the fastest hybrid coaster, tallest, ect. and one ride just blew me away. Unlike Valravn, you can feel the speed from start to finish, and even the drop forcefully rips you from your seat. I lost my voice from laughing/screaming from my first ride, and I come back again and again to ride it.

But yes, now that I do think about it, a 200' wooden coaster wouldn't be as good as everyone says it would be. Rides like the Voyage, El Toro and Mean Streak(defunct I know) are pushing the limits of what wooden coasters can do, and with that you set yourself up for roughness. If said 200' wood coaster was built, it would probably need to have RMC treatment on it in a few years. That's the way I see it.

Actually arrow did put CP on the map with Magnum because it kick-started the coaster wars.

What about Lightning Rod, Wildfire, and Goliath (SFGAm)? Those are pretty extreme for "wood" coasters.

I feel like even those would become rough given enough time. But don't we want a good 'traditional' wooden coaster here though?

operative_me said:

Sorry to be that guy, but:

Gemini never was the tallest or the fastest.

When Gemini opened in 1978 it was the tallest, fastest, steepest coaster in the world.

I believe that’s correct. It didn’t last long though, because Colossus opened and took the height record at least.

Skyhawk06 said:
I feel like even those would become rough given enough time. But don't we want a good 'traditional' wooden coaster here though?

What we want and what the park builds don’t always align.

When Gemini opened in 1978 it was the tallest, fastest, steepest coaster in the world.

Corkscrew would like to have a word with you.

All in all Cedar Point put Cedar Point on the map. They chose the what to build, the manufacturer, the money, and approved the design.