Windseeker construction cam up!

And yes I do care....to point out when something gets misconstrued or things start to go the route of ignorance.

No one can be blamed for the weather. That makes sense.

No one can be blamed for the slower than desired shipment of parts. That does not make sense. You keep blaming the weather for things that can be delayed by human error. I know you love Cedar Point, but lets be real. Someone, either at Mondial or Cedar Fair messed up.

Not only that, you keep making up excuses for a ride that has not been delayed and blaming the weather for its non-delay. Only King's Island has delayed their ride because of weather. So unless you know something everyone else doesn't or you're the tired, worn out joke that is the Lemon Chill guy, I'd suggest letting things play out before jumping all over people for their opinions.

Your misfeasance is not justifiable, especially when you throw out an excuse that is not been related to the Cedar Point Windseeker.

By the way, I'll still be at Cedar Point opening weekend and if Windseeker is not working, oh well. I'm just saying I don't think it will be open on time and if I am wrong... bummer for me, but good for everyone.

Are we sure the world doesn't end on opening day if Windseeker is not running. I mean this has to be the first winter in recorded history that Ohio has had bad weather. Even-though I started it, i'm done too!

PrawoJazdy said:
Someone, either at Mondial or Cedar Fair messed up.

They did? In what way?

Mk we know the weather here was bad...What if the weather wherever Mondial is was bad, or the seas were turbulent...lol who knows...Secondly there are ALOT of Windseekers that were bought that's alot of stuff to make...So yeh....ugh can we just put this behind us & talk about the actual progress than complain at the screen as we watch it unfold...If you don't like it, get a hard hat & volunteer your time to hang some chairs

They did? In what way?

In the delay of parts that Adam keeps talking about. He keeps saying it was the weather. I think it was possibly last minute planning on Cedar Fairs part and not getting the order in on time, or Mondial didn't make the parts fast enough/get them to the boat on time.

Alright, we're all getting emotional about this (or at least some of us are). I'll try to be as straight forward as I can.

1. I'm not blaming anyone. I'm blaming the weather for delaying the construction process. That's the basic point I'm trying to get across.

2. I blame the weather for what has already happen (the days they couldn't work on it). It may be (in some way) human error for it not being done on those days, but is it right to blame the person(s) for not being able to do their job?

3. I'm not claiming it to be delayed. I've only stated (or at least to my knowledge) a possible delay. Like I've said before, at this point it's still technically set to open by next friday. So thusly, I know the same amount of news everyone else knows.

4.My reference was prob more out of context than I planned (which I apologize for) but my point is still valid. That point is that this debate between whether or not a possible delay is solely due to the construction workers/CP/manufacturer or due to the extreme weather conditions is one that will always continue. Be it over Windseeker or any future attractions.

In all, I don't see why my "excuses" are less credulous than yours (or whoevers). I AM, however, basing mine on facts. My facts are the weather that has already happened. Those days that nothing (or what seemed as nothing) got done was because of weather. And anything else I've used should have came off as an "what if" statement (like the shipment). The "this is Mondial/Cedar Points/construction crew's fault" excuse, on the other hand, has nothing to really to back the facts on. Do we know for sure there was a mishap with Mondial? Do we know for sure planning was ill-managed? If so then you (or whoever) was right. And if you're right, the ride will still open and the world will still turn.

I'm rooting for CP's crew to make up the days they had miss. And if they don't get it ready in time (which is still hard to say yes or no on) then life goes on. But I'm not going to sit here and point fingers at a person or people for something there is no real proof of. And even if it is someones fault, big whoop. It'll still open and everyone becomes wiser.

@TTD: why are there so many parentheses in your post (it's really annoying)? ;)

It's what I do. It's my way of not having to type more sentences. :P

TTD 120mph said:

I blame the weather for what has already happen (the days they couldn't work on it). It may be (in some way) human error for it not being done on those days, but is it right to blame the person(s) for not being able to do their job?

You're absolutely right Adam! I would agree that it's not right to blame human error? I'm sure the crew captain in charge of the construction of Windseeker would rather keep his/her crew safe by not allowing them to work in extreme weather conditions such as high winds.

Erik Lee said:
Really? Life wasn't going to end if Windseeker wasn't running. Dang and to think I have been planning for it to end.

Well, given your rather extreme reaction to the mere possibility that a flat ride may only be open for 90+% of it's inaugural season (and only 99.7% of its probable life), I'm sure you can see why we're concerned for your well being. :)

Erik Lee said:
Where I work we call just in time delivery from our suppliers just in time for us to get laid off for a few weeks while waiting for suppliers to ship us parts so we can meet our deadlines.

Have you ever considered that your employer simply sucks at choosing suppliers? News flash: most modern manufacturers work on JIT schedules. Pity your company can't figure out what the rest of us have.

PrawoJazdy said:
Someone, either at Mondial or Cedar Fair messed up.

Have you ever considered that it was CP's plan all along to build only a certain amount of slack into the ride's construction schedule, knowing that including more slack would not be cost effective? Do you have any idea how much money it costs every day to have massive equipment on site?

Quick Question: Where is the proof that parts were delivered late to Cedar Point?

Or is this just speculation because Cedar Point received their parts later than Kings Island?

It's raining there right now...and they're working. Whether or not this ride is open on May 13th, these guys did everything they could do, safely, to achieve that goal. I'm still scared to ride this ride on a calm, sunny day after its been tested. These guys are climbing that tower on scaffolding in one of the worst springs I can remember. I have the utmost respect for these guys and the work they do. A peninsula in Lake Erie during the winter/spring months has to be a tough place to build anything, let alone an amusement park. Keep up the good work!

Have you ever considered that your employer simply sucks at choosing suppliers? News flash: most modern manufacturers work on JIT schedules. Pity your company can't figure out what the rest of us have.

Have you ever considered that it was CP's plan all along to build only a certain amount of slack into the ride's construction schedule, knowing that including more slack would not be cost effective? Do you have any idea how much money it costs every day to have massive equipment on site?

Have you ever considered once that you don't know everything about the construction of everything or how other companies work? Just because your company works one way, does not mean a completely different type of work in another state works on the same principles.

Do you have any idea how much it costs Cedar Fair to have that equipment on hand? I'd like to know daily rent charge, cost of operation including power costs and transportation costs. Lay that all out. Use a google docs account and share it with us.

Quick Question: Where is the proof that parts were delivered late to Cedar Point?

Or is this just speculation because Cedar Point received their parts later than Kings Island?

Its speculation based on the site sitting empty for so long. Nothing to do with Kings Island, although Adam thinks there is a correlation because he keeps using KI's excuse for a ride that has not been announced as a having a delayed opening.

All this sound and fury about the mere possibility of an amusement park's new attraction being late in opening by (perhaps) days -- and it's not even a rolly coaster!

Said the Zen master to the constipated student: "This too shall pass."

PrawoJazdy said:
Just because your company works one way, does not mean a completely different type of work in another state works on the same principles.

Erik was trying to suggest that JIT as a concept is flawed, based on the fact that his company can't successfully implement it. So you're right, some companies do things better than others. If Erik's company can't keep parts on hand in a JIT environment, I'd suggest they suck at choosing suppliers.

Do you have any idea how much it costs Cedar Fair to have that equipment on hand?

More or less, though the last time I had any part in cost tracking was as an intern in 2001 in California, so my estimates would likely be way off. On top of that, the equipment costs I tracked were of smaller scale (think off-road dump trucks, excavators, graders, etc.), and cranes that can reach over 300' in the air aren't that common, and as such, cost considerably more than most equipment.

The point is that in construction, time isn't cheap. If the current schedule calls for a 12 week timetable, we can presume adding another 3 weeks would add about 25% to the labor and equipment cost. CP knows that cost, and probably did the math and determined that if they were to open WS 3 weeks late, it would cost them less in lost revenue than it would have cost to add 3 weeks to the construction schedule.

Is any of that accurate? Who knows? I'm simply trying to illustrate that there may be reasons that the ride may or may not be open on May 13th, and that the reason isn't necessarily because CP IS TEH SUX AT NU RIDE$!!1!!

Maybe a new thread should be open titled 'Fights about things we can't control'. In the meantime, not to bring us back on topic but...we have lift off...the carriage is off the ground. Maybe we'll see some seats today.

You and your silly numbers and educated guesses, DJ.

I'm just simply amazed that so many people care if it opens up on opening day or opening week or the next. I actually get Adam for defending himself. I have a tendency to take attacks on something I care about (CP, in this instance) that are based in ignorance personally.

I think the moral of the story is that people complain.

If the new ride not a roller coaster, complain.

If it's not the right type of roller coaster, complain.

God forbid CP does not install a new ride, riot and contemplate taking one's life.

If my pass does not process perfectly, complain.

If my sodey-pop costs me three dollars, and yet I'm dumb enough to pay for it and then complain, complain.

There is a difference between objectively evaluating a procedure, policy, or decision that you happen to disagree with and complaining for the sake of complaining. If Windseeker is delayed, it has everything to do with the weather, plain and simple. Could anyone have predicted the amount of bad weather that we have had? No. This has been the worst April weather-wise that I can remember. Just be thankful we all don't live a little further down south, or the weather we have had looks like Heaven

I really wish you would stop making it seem like your going to put words in my mouth prawo. I stated that the parts didnt "show up" on site, in view till mid March (I think CPs facebook mentioned exactly when). I only made the connection to KI to state a possible scenerio in which the parts to each park were on a kind of schedule (like what parts went where in what order) and CPs where on a later date. Dont forget where these are coming from and how long it would take and what it would take to get these massive things to 3 locations within a certian time span. Look Im trying to be sensible here with my reasons but if its too far beyond your grasp to understand then theres no satisfying you or anyone. So go ahead and continue to point fingers. After all its easier to focus on that than figure out solutions.

I wonder if Cedar Point's crew who plan the construction, ever read these forums and laugh at how completely silly some people sound on here. Especially the ones who think they know the exact figures used to build a new ride. If I were one of them, I would probably be laughing my ass off right now

If you were one of them, your boss would be pissed that you're slacking off online when there's work to do! ;)