Will you ride Shoot the Rapids if it open back up?

I wish CP would put out a statement, but only because for some reason people can't live their lives without knowing exactly what's happening to STR.

^I know I'm one of those people. Sorry. It would be nice so that way we don't have to walk by it anymore and ask what's going to happen with Shoot the Rapids? There's only a few people on here that like it including myself.

H to the E to the LL no.

I guess it depends on what type of statement you're expecting. I'd be a little surprised if there wasn't something stating that they are working on fixes and plan to have the ride operational come 2014.

But we'll never see any announcement go into great technical detail that would be way over 99.999% of the readers heads explaining what the failure was and how they reverse engineered a solution.

If they did, I guess that would make me one of the .001% of intelligent readers out there that won't ride it again without a disclosure.

^ Sweet, less in line in front of me.

Btw, now that I think about it, I haven't seen any safety disclosures recently regarding Maverick, Millennium, Dragster and Gatekeeper. I think all you people should stay away from those as well. You and your children can never be too safe.

Well, we certainly know which side of the %curve ScottyF's on now.

This incident wasn't like anything that took place at the other attractions.

"witnesses told the Sandusky Register newspaper the boat flipped on its side or upside down.

Matthew Orr, of Euclid, was at the park and said people were belted into the boat and were trapped.

"We jumped in and helped them get out," he told the newspaper. "If we didn't help, I don't even know what would have happened."

The problem, of course, was the roll back, not the position of the boat. When the ride opens back up that problem will have been fixed. A disclosure to the public on the nature of the fix does not make the ride safer and would most likely be over the head of the average person. Steve, if you are so suspicious about the quality of the fix that will be in place, why would you trust any disclosure coming from the same company?

As far as the witness reports, obviously because of the lack of injuries, the boat didn't flip. It probably wasn't even on its side, just tilted when it rode up the side of the flume. Witness reports are notoriously unreliable, just look at all the plane crash witnesses who always claim the plane was on fire on the way down. Who knows if Matthew Orr actually did anything to affect the outcome of the situation. Probably had good intentions, but he may also just enjoy his two minutes of fame with the news media.

Yeah the stories seemed to indicate that drowning was the major concern, but to me having the boat hit the turn wall at the bottom of the lift seems more dangerous. A lot really depends on how fast the boat was traveling when it hit the wall, but jumping that wall and going in the water seems unlikely. Maybe not impossible, but unlikely.

So, if they fix it to the satisfaction of the Ohio Department of Agriculture (I think that's who oversees amusement rides in Ohio) and to the satisfaction of Intamin's engineers as well as their own experienced ride maintenance personnel, but don't release a statement, you won't ride.

But if they open it and provide an explanation that you don't have a clue what you're reading, you'll be okay with it?

Yeah, that makes sense.

SteveH said:
"witnesses told...

You seem to base your position on those witness accounts, which as Pete rightly points out (and which should be obvious to someone as smart as yourself), such accounts are not at all reliable.

Do we even know if the boat can flip over or onto its side? For all we know, the boat and trough may be designed in such a way as to prevent that from happening.

Just like the Titantic was designed to be unsinkable :)

Presumably, STR was designed to prevent a rollback from happening and we saw how well that works. ANY ride has risks, that is why, as is noted on the threads, we must "respect rides, b/c they do not respect" us.

Disclosure, in and of itself, does not increase safety.

The point here is that witness accounts are about all we have at this time. CF and Intamin obviously wish it never happened in the first place, and believe no news is good news to avoid any additional negative PR towards their companies. The Ohio Department of Agriculture inspects once a year, and when there is an incident. I suspect the Ohio agency has issues preventing STR from reopening and they are working towards a resolution. But what I still don't understand is why it's all kept a secret in the first place. The only conspiracy here is that we will likely be told "it's all fixed" or "new and improved for 2015" without any explanation.

There was a second boat full of people behind the grassy knoll.

Why haven't we heard about what happened to those people?

And you fools think Kinzel "retired".

He was forced out, and the night before the incident my own witnesses say he could be seen on the Frontier Trail tinkering with something near Shoot the Rapids. Is this just a coincidence?

And furthermore, why has Cedar Fair not released a full detailed report of his whereabouts since his retirement? Embarrassment of how they handled his forced retirement?

Or worse?

Count me in the .001%.

Kinzle still has at least one relative working in another park in the chain! Yes, nepotism exists at Cedar Fair, but that's another discussion.

SteveH said:
The point here is that witness accounts are about all we have at this time.

Then perhaps you should stop making half-assed assumptions about something you have no credible information on.

The only conspiracy here is that we will likely be told "it's all fixed" or "new and improved for 2015" without any explanation.

That sentence would make sense only if you changed the meaning of the term "conspiracy".

Eyewitnesses have condemned many a man in a court of law so I wouldn't say that they are a "half assed" assumption.
Illiterate is a word you should look up? You don't know the meaning of that word yourself.

Just because eyewitness accounts have been used in court does not mean they're reliable. It simply means unreliable data was used in court.

"Conspiracy" implies deception or subversion. The park isn't being deceiving or subversive. They're just not telling some guy on a forum information he doesn't need to know.

SteveH said:
The Ohio Department of Agriculture inspects once a year, and when there is an incident. I suspect the Ohio agency has issues preventing STR from reopening and they are working towards a resolution.

How could you possibly know if the agency has issues or whatever? That's is about as credible as saying I suspect that if I buy a lottery ticket at 2:00pm on Saturday, I'll win the jackpot.

The points that I suspect are important here are:

1) Maintenance issues generally aren't publicized by CP.
2) When Shoot the Rapids reopens it will be safe to ride.
3) Most people here really don't seem to care about a disclosure and trust CP.
4) If you need inside information not intended for the public to feel safe, then just don't ride.

Eyewitness accounts are like holes in the ground, or wait, everyone has one, no, opinions, wait, It's coming to me...