Will there ever be another large-scale coaster?

I don't think it is safe to say that Cedar Point will never ditch the campground, at least the non-Lighthouse Point portion of it.

The campground does good business but they aren't exactly charging big bucks for those sites. In the future I wouldn't be surprised to see the expansion of Soak City or Challenge Park into what is now Circle B. Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised to see Lighthouse Point continue to grow into what is now Circle A.

That isn't to say that there would be no camping places on Point but I wouldn't be surprised if the number of "camper" spaces diminished in the coming years.

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When I stayed there I got a basic spot with electric and water for $50 a night, I don't think that is by any means cheap. It was also very crowded on the weekend and there were very few spaces unused. I enjoyed camping there and would love to do it again because I could hear everything that went on in the park at night. It makes people want to stay there on point for more then one day, bringing in more money for the park. It just wouldn't be a good idea for them to take out most or all of the camper spots. Large families can stay in a camping spot much cheaper then a hotel, so these families that would normally go home or off the point to reduce costs will stay in their campground and in the process, make CP more money.

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Goodwill motives are nice but they aren't about business. $50 a night is cheap when you think about what they get for a hotel room or even a cabin/cottage at Lighthouse Point. A good percentage of the campground guests are season pass holders which doesn't necessarily translate into more revenue for the park.

Sandcastle and Breakers are pretty well sold out during the height of the season. What would make Cedar Point more money would be another on-point hotel that could get ridiculous room rates because of the convenience factor.

Like I said earlier, I don't think they will eliminate camping in the near future but I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of camping sites is decreased in order to expand in other ways.

I also would not be surprised if Cedar Point got into the off-Point camping market.

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Isn't Lighthouse Point being expanded this off season? I think I heard 50 or maybe even 100 new cottages/cabins are going to be added.

MrScott

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"If we go any faster, she'll blow apart for sure!"

If another largscale coaster is to come, which i believe there are two comming, it will be intertwined with other rides and on the edges. after all the contract with arrow( now ownwe by s&S) is still valid. so i do believe that we mat see a 2.5 minute pipeline and possibly a floorless after that then room is a major issue

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ive been thinking there wasnt anymore room for years now, ever since magnum. then came mean streak, raptor, mantis..... ttd.... its up to the ride designers to say when they cant fit anything new in, it may cost more money to contruct it, but there is always room. :)

Contrary to popular belief CP does not have a space problem at all and they have plenty of room for a new record breaking coaster. Rumor has it that it will be 500ft. So CP won't be expanding to the parking lot area for a few years yet.

Chief Wahoo hit it on the head. I definitely wouldn't say that they would never take out Camper Village. They just have to justify the removal with something that makes more money (I/E Lighthouse Point and Challenge Park/Soak City expansion).

Could they build another huge out and back? Yeah, but what's the point right now? It's not like they are going to go and break there own record anytime soon. Kinzel said it himself that Dragster will be the tallest they go for a while. I doubt that they will build a taller coaster until another park breaks Dragster's record.

As for a new coaster, I think that the back of the park is overdue for a new ride...Snake River Falls was Frontier Town's real last new attraction, and that was back in 1993.

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...and the most anticipated event of summer 2003 is...

The Matrix: Reloaded!

CedarPointForce: That's your opinion and I respect it, but would you mind pointing out this "plenty of room" for another Magnum, Mean Streak, or Millenium Force?

Many people will say: "Look at all the area on the beach, in Frontier Town, and around Camper Village?!?! No space problem at CP!" But as mentioned numerous times throughout this thread, it's all area that will ruin the park if filled with mangled steel. The day CP fills the beach with coasters will be the decay of CP to me. I rarely visit the beach, but it is probably the most historic element of the entire park; it's what made CP what it is today. Eliminating the beach is like tearing down the Blue Streak. If CP wants to be unique, have a personality, and be historic, I just can't see the beach disappearing in favor of a new large-scale ride.

The same can be said for Frontier Town and Camper Village. Will CP officials say "We're a thrill park; it's time to do away with Frontier Town!" That would open up a ton of area...all the candle, glass, wood shops,etc. could be torn down; they could tear out the antique cars and turn the whole area into a high-tech steel coaster village. But, at what point would you tell yourself, "Wow...this is sad; Cedar Point is beginning to look tacky and monotonous." When CP chooses to invade those areas, it will be the beginning of decay. You'll know that CP is desperate for land and that the situation will only worsen.

Go to King's Island. Go to the top of the Eiffel Tower. Look around the park; you'll find miles upon miles of untouched forests. Is that land theirs? Probably not, but I'm sure deals could be made to grant them more land at their request. In comparison, Cedar Point has a space problem, and when rides/attractions are moved and torn down for new ones, this is more obvious.

Back on topic...As MF was a sequel to Magnum, I think there will be a sequel to MF (called "Son of Millennium Force," with rutted steel track for pain ;) ), but I can't see that for 7 years (10 between Magnum and MF, so 10 between MF and sequel?) But, I have no clue where they'll put it; I guess CP will decide that. One thing is for sure, I keep having doubts about a true sequel to MF. What's neat is that I bet CP officials are arguing these same topics and points.

Oh, and I agree with CP Bound, Frontier Town is due for a new coaster or some new excitement. It's often dead back there. The question is: Will CP keep Frontier Town traditional, or stray off with a new Flyer or something?
*** This post was edited by Ffej 8/8/2003 5:04:23 AM ***

I really don't think CP needs to add a new coaster in the next two years. I have been to quite a few parks, and some of their most exciting rides are the flat, spinnning ones. I would love to see another Huss or two installed, and Frontier Trail would be the perfect spot for one. A new coaster doesn't have to be built every year or 2 years, there are so many other types of rides that CP could build at less cost, and less invasion to other areas.

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Ffej: when you look out from on top of the eiffel tower most of the land is theres. they have tons of land. they have so much land that they used to have their own safari.

and i agree with building a huss ride back in frontier town. if they got a frisbee maybe they could go with lassoo rangler or something like that (sorry that's a crappy name but you catch my drift).

and to answer the topic question. there definently will be another large scale coaster. the sky's the limit.

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*** This post was edited by johnz 8/8/2003 4:59:30 PM ***

The second post didn't say the thread would be closed. Read it again.

As for Frontier Town, I would say it would be gone, or severly altered, before Camper Village is. They have a real difficult time hiring the "artists" or skilled people each year. This is a beautiful area in the park though so if they are going to do anything, I hope they take care not to butcher the place. MF was built and doesn't do too much harm because of the way it was tucked in there.

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No matter where you go, there you are.

Needless to say, CP has been removing and replacing rides throughout it's entire existance, even within the past 20 years, though many people fail to notice or care. (Remember the Mill Race, the Sky Slide, the Frontiertown Carousel...etc, etc?) It's just the natural progression of an amusement park. I don't think the question is whether or not there will be enough space for another large-scale coaster: CP can always work around existing rides, relocate or remove them. The question is, can they do that effectively without disturbing the dynamic of certain areas of the park? (case in point: Frontiertown). That task is where true creativity will be crucial.
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Kell, I've noticed all the rides CP has moved and removed for new attractions throughout history. I agree that amusement parks do this as they naturally progress, so maybe it wasn't the best comment to defend space. But, when 2 rides are torn down, 2 moved, a lagoon filled, and etc., it seems somewhat abnormal for an amusement park to do regularly for one new ride. All I'm saying when I say space problem is that there are not large amounts of open land.

But, I guess I have come to the realization that there will definitely be a true sequel to Millenium Force eventually. When Cedar Point runs out of space entirely, they won't stop building new attractions (or they won't survive). So, I guess our beloved Magnum, MF, TTD, etc. will eventually be torn down one day if you really think about it.

But, we're nowhere near that point. If CP follows trends, I think one of the rides that will disappear in the future is Antique Cars in Frontiertown. There are 3 sets of these type cars. They had two Sky Rides, one was removed. Two bumper cars, one removed. Three water flume rides, one removed. Four carousels, one removed...and so on... If they did remove those cars, I wonder what direction Frontier Town would move in?
*** This post was edited by Ffej 8/8/2003 6:25:34 PM ***

Didn't people say that Cedar Point was running out of room even before MF was built??? Then they built 3 more of the worlds tallest coasters. Now we are saying CP is out of room and before you know it there is going to be a new coaster.

I also think that people are forgetting about relocating rides. People just take it for the pieces of land that are left. I have listened to all of this rambling before and one of the only times of someone mentioning relocating a ride is as kell did(above).
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Topthrill420, I have never felt CP has had a space problem up until now, and if you read through this thread, you'd see it's not about a new ride, attraction, or even the world's tallest coaster, it's about having room for another MF, Magnum, or Meanstreak. So again, no one here is saying CP is out of space, but the question was will future rides/coasters be compact/short?

No one is forgetting about CP relocating/removing rides; they do it nearly every season. There have been mentions of removing/relocating rides in countless threads I've observed, so you must not be reading thoroughly.

Research, combined with my conversations with various PR and Marketing personell show that removal of older rides has never really had to do with space, simply the popularity and actual worth of the ride. Schwabinchen is the perfect example, notice it had nothing to do with TTD because of where it was, it was simply removed because it had outgrown it's usefullness and overall popularity..

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Just remember that something can be done about the parking lot. I've always liked the idea of building parking garages, or even moving parking off the peninsula. Where? Who knows, but shuttles could surely be used to transfer people here and there.

If this were to happen, could you imagine what it would do to the park? The area that we now know as the front of the park would then be the middle, and the main midway would probably be just a tad bit longer. Not to mention if that the parking lot is too far away, the shuttle driver's corny jokes might get on a few people's nerves.

Ffej, yes it is sad to think that even our newest and biggest coasters will soon be torn down because even they someday will be "un-cool" or "non thrilling." :(

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Guys, Cedar Point has pleanty of room without building in the parking lot yet. Yes I realize eventually that the parking lot will be used. Its obvious that it will happen SOMETIME but now isn't the time. If you really think about how much room MF actually takes up, it isn't really that much with the way its built. There was an aerial photo on this forum showing how much space there really is to work with. and I could never see MF going down. DT yes, will be eventually torn down in the future which will give way for a new ride is my guess.

CPForce....you're not thinking deeply enough. Think of Cedar Point maybe 75 years (or even 1,000 years) in the future. Space will be gone, and they'll be forced to tear down coasters to build new ones. The new coaster height record might be 1,500 feet or more, and people might refer to MF as "a stupid baby ride." I know it might seem extreme at this time, and I know other rides will disappear before MF, but it was just a point that CP has to expand to survive. So while it might not happen any time real soon, I guess it's inevitable that there will be another large-scale MF sequel.

Neo: I thought Schwabinchen was directly linked to TTD. Chaos had to be moved, so it needed a location. Seeing as how Schwabinchen wasn't the most popular ride, that was the chosen site. If TTD wasn't constructed, I highly doubt Schwabinchen would have been removed last year, leaving an empty site. But yes, main point agreed. As Kell said, amusement parks naturally progess, and that means removing less popular rides in favor of new ones.

But again, that takes us into the future. Eventually, all the rides will be high quality to today's standards. Then it will purely become an issue of space. But will our standards become higher, and Magnum will be the bad ride someday? Most likely. CP will work with the land, removing and relocating, and hopefully always make the place top-notch.

People are so defensive of the little land CP does have. The main point was comparing CP to a place like King's Island. If KI chose to do so, they could build 50 or more large-scale coasters without altering the park in any way. Will they do that any time soon? Of course not, but they do have that option.
*** This post was edited by Ffej 8/9/2003 3:11:47 PM ***