Why such a secret? Conspiracy??
You just can't do that. The stress on the track changes, the forces on the riders change, track manufacturing has to be updated, while in the process of shaping track pieces...it didn't happen with SD2K. I believe that that ride was in the works before MF was on the drawing board. Morgan had to change the gauge of the track, create a bigger spine, and make larger chassis for their trains. They slated it as being 8 feet taller than MF, but it was really like 1 foot or less, so if CP wanted to, they could dig a 2 foot hole between it's biggest footers and have the tallest. :)
I'm sure that SFMM was happy to beat Cedar Point's record for the biggest stand-up (1998), but Six Flags Kentucky Kindom did it in 1997 with Chang. It was a mirrored Mantis with another corkscrew instead of a spaghetti bowl, but they built it taller. SF just broke their own record in 1998 so it was kind of moot at that point in regards to CP.
If Six Flags is waiting for Cedar Point to annouce the ride just so they can top it, then good for them. They won't have the ride or loaction determined before then, which will leave them only a few months to throw things together if they wanted to have it up and running for the 2003 season.
Six Flags really isn't doing too well these days. Their stock was cut to 1/3 earlier this year because they fell so short of their attendance mark. They seem to think that all people care about is the huge rides to draw the crowds, but until they experience good customer service, people will not flock to their parks (just look at SFWoA). To me, SF is going to have to take a few years off and gain back some revenue before they start spending again. They are only in the hole what, 3 billion dollars?
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*** This post was edited by CP_bound 11/2/2002 11:07:42 AM ***
I believe that a case study of this occured when some park did try to "change the coaster when construction has nearly started" when CP announced Mean Streak. Something about changing the height of the first drop on their new woodie to make it higher than MS. It ended up going fairly awry as the pullout started to induce some fairly hectic g's.
There was an article about this (including excerpts from various letters between the park's management and the ride's designers) on a website which documented accidents and injuries at parks for the last 25 years or so; I recall the article alleging that they ended up paying out some hefty damages to injured riders once the whole thing came to light.
I wish I could find the web page again - I originally found it on the "related-links" page of a coaster site. If anyone has the URL please mail me (or post it here).
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Steve
"Will all those who expressed disappointment at the new ride please leave the park now"
Narrowing it down in my head, it's not because they're waiting for a certain SF park to announce, or because they're going to build some new element.
It's pretty damn clear what it's going to be by now, and SF is now trying to just compete with family owned parks...
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LeWiS
Six Flags is in debt by a few billion, while Cedar Fair is in debt about 300 million. Cedar Fair's isn't that bad because if they went on idle a few years, they would be able to make that money back fairly easily.
Cedar Fair bases their additions on return on investment. If the park adds a ride, and they gain that money back fairly quickly, they are entitled to another new addition. Six Flags doesn't have this policy. They just buy up previously owned parks, invest a little the first years of ownership and then "forget" about them. They add coasters to the same parks year after year for the most part...I think we can wee whose policy works the best.
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...Denial is an ugly thing.
*** This post was edited by CP_bound 11/2/2002 11:30:39 PM ***
PhillipBernard said:
...and know they will not compare with "Project 2003" and are going to rub it in in the commercials this year like six flags did to cp.. it's all about revenge
Mmmm... I'm gonna go with 'no'. Cedar Point has higher standards than mudslinging. They don't need to bash Six Flags directly via commercials or print media.
Revenge comes much sweeter in other forms.
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gravity: down to earth, without the sugar coating.
Option A: Conspiracy. Jeff (who is not known to be an employee of Cedar Fair) is actually on their payroll. Better pay off all the other moderators, too, or they will get suspicious. Anytime anyone gets too close to the truth, their thread is deleted. Keep it up, get the banhammer. If you keep registering under new names, guys in black jumpsuits drop out of black helicopters with UN logos on the side to kill you silently in the night. Or send you to Yemen. Or something.
Option B: Your threads stoked the ire of a moderator because they were (a) lame, (b) offensive, (c) redundant, or (d) off topic.
I know which way I'd bet.
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*** This post was edited by Gemini 11/5/2002 1:20:10 PM ***
CP_bound said:
I'm sure that SFMM was happy to beat Cedar Point's record for the biggest stand-up (1998), but Six Flags Kentucky Kindom did it in 1997 with Chang. It was a mirrored Mantis with another corkscrew instead of a spaghetti bowl, but they built it taller. SF just broke their own record in 1998 so it was kind of moot at that point in regards to CP.Six Flags really isn't doing too well these days. Their stock was cut to 1/3 earlier this year because they fell so short of their attendance mark. They seem to think that all people care about is the huge rides to draw the crowds, but until they experience good customer service, people will not flock to their parks (just look at SFWoA). To me, SF is going to have to take a few years off and gain back some revenue before they start spending again. They are only in the hole what, 3 billion dollars?
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Your post started out so well, then the diarreha of the mouth caught up with the constipation of the mind...First, when SFMM built Riddler's Revenge, Kentucky Kingdom was not a Six Flags park. *IF* SFMM was taking a record from anyone it was neither themselves nor CP (the world does NOT revolve around Sandusky).
Second, as long as SFI is able to show that they can generate revenue and make the payments on their loans (something they *have* demonstrated they can do) they will continue to have resources to operate.
I wonder why there is always so much "gloom and doom" whenever people talk about SFI's debt. I'd be willing to bet that most of the families represented here are in "debt" (can someone say mortgage?). Debt alone is not a harbinger of death.
SFI will be fine. No need to lose sleep :)
lata, jeremy
--who has no *idea* who Cplaya "really" is....
Chris
Mantis Crew 2002
MantisMan02Crew said:
The reason that CP Execs are keeping the new ride's specs and name under wraps is because when they publicized MF, they got beat. They are going to wait till the last possible second to announce anything. They want records and they want to hold them for the longest time they can.
Ohhhh, so Nagashima Spa Land was only going to build Steel Dragon 2000 to be 309ft tall, but when Cedar Point announced MF's stats Nagashima Spa Land decided to make it 318ft instead...
Thanks for clearing that up for me ;)
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2Hostyl said:I wonder why there is always so much "gloom and doom" whenever people talk about SFI's debt. I'd be willing to bet that most of the families represented here are in "debt" (can someone say mortgage?). Debt alone is not a harbinger of death.
It's because, just with all other areas of business, enthusiasts think that they are skilled in the knowledge of economics as well. Taking Intro to Microeconomics and Intro to Macroeconomics is hardly scratching the surface of a much deeping subject.
Hell...I'm an Econ major and Istill don't pretend to know who is really in trouble and why and then talk out my ass about it online.
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-Captain Sarcasm
Big D said:
there was a small crane near the back end of the tower today...I GOT IT, they are going to use the cranes as supports!....and its going to have a 7000 ft track length!------------------
- Dennis
If they want, I'll come and hold up track also.
-albert
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